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And who is going to use that??
It was offered for Jf-17 but we went for Chinese one as we thought it to be better then Grifo-S

Our F-7's are also using Grifo series so are mirages but they are old versions compared to Grifo-S ,i don't think PAF will go for Grif-S for Jf-17

But a strong prospect would be F-7PG's as they are going to serve us till 2020 and are new airframes inducted in early 2000's ,if PAF want they can replace the current Grifo-radar with this new one with little modifications ,also it will give F-7Pg's with more range and bvr capability specially when we have Chinese bvr's round the corner
 

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Yes, and the tracking range is 72 kms.

One thing I wanna mention here is that an aircraft can only be engaged in the tracking range, not in its detection range. So the max range at which an aircraft of rcs 5 sq meter can be engaged by this radar is 72 kms.

Its a small radar, av power of 560 W, just not up to the mark. More suited to aircraft built in 70s. Only marginally better than the Kopyo radar on the IAF Mig21.
 

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Hi, this radar cannot be used in the F-7PGs as its dish is too large for the F-7PGs nose. Also you are right the the F-7s are using the Grifo-7 and 7PG radars, whereas some Mirage IIIs use the Grifo M (which has look down shoot down capability).

http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/GRIFO_FAMILY.pdf

The S-7 radar is not that powerful and was not selected for the JF-17. Selex had also created a more powerful radar called the Grifo-2000, and it would literally plug into existing F-16s without the need for modifications. The PAF was interested, but then sanctions were lifted and the PAF opted for the MLU upgrade (bad idea, but my personal opinion!).

FIAR's New Grifo 2000 Radar Targets Early F-16s

Lastly from the brochure, the radar dish of the S7 is 60cm (area= 2824 cm^2), whereas the Grifo-2000 is and ellipse of 74cm x 48cm (area= 2790 cm^2). The JF-17 has a larger dish area than the F-16. Now, the PAF just needs to get a really powerful radar for Block 2! Take care.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/areaellipse.html
 
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Hi, this radar cannot be used in the F-7PGs as its dish is too large for the F-7PGs nose. Also you are right the the F-7s are using the Grifo-7 and 7PG radars, whereas some Mirage IIIs use the Grifo M (which has look down shoot down capability).

http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/GRIFO_FAMILY.pdf

The S-7 radar is not that powerful and was not selected for the JF-17. Selex had also created a more powerful radar called the Grifo-2000, and it would literally plug into existing F-16s without the need for modifications. The PAF was interested, but then sanctions were lifted and the PAF opted for the MLU upgrade (bad idea, but my personal opinion!). Take care.

FIAR's New Grifo 2000 Radar Targets Early F-16s
i already mentioned that "with some modifications"

similar to what SA did with their mirages ,(um using this just for example to show that it really is possible)

 

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Hi, I agree the F-7s, A-5s and Mirages should be retired ASAP. However, Pakistan can only add 2 JF-17s a month to its inventory, so it might take a while for this to happen.

Also, I would not make to much fun of the long nosed Mirage, known as Cheetah. It had a more powerful radar and ECM than existing F-16s. Moreover, South Africa had also prototyped one with a new combat wing, and the SMR-95 turbofan engine, the precursor to the RD-93. The Super Cheetah's performance was dramatically increased, but the project was scrapped after aparteid ended.

Klimov RD-33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lastly, the PAF is using the inflight refueling probes designed for this aircraft to upgrade their Mirage IIIs. Take care.
 

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a-5 retired, next in line are early mirages (non rose models), f-7s (only p, not pg), this should be completed as new batches of jft are inducted, within next 5 -7 years at best. Grifo-S is not exactly same as old Grifo-S 7 and I give u the reason why. After fiar presented s-7 to paf, it seem impressive as it had high power and excellent anti jamming, decent range, robust architecture but it lacked in multiple engagements and track range, it also had inherited flaw of unable to communicate with indigenous, chinese weapons. What was presented by fiar as the Grifo-2000/16 was any day, a better option as it had more range, better features. this was discussed with fiar and they came up with and unified version having different antenna, range, processors, features in a customized variant known today as Grifo-S, this can also be observed in the brochure. It was defeated by a more capable radar in all dimensions that is known as klj-7......
 

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As information suggest that China might be working on AESA for thunder that are essential for BLK-II/III development I don't see any need for PAF to move on to a western system if PAF is presented with an AESA radar that perform well with-in the parameter that PAF is looking for. Much has taken place, if J-20 is in making, J-10Bs are on the scene, SD-10B are being workedout with i don't see any reason if behind the scenes an AESA radar is getting ready for next blocks.
 

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As information suggest that China might be working on AESA for thunder that are essential for BLK-II/III development I don't see any need for PAF to move on to a western system if PAF is presented with an AESA radar that perform well with-in the parameter that PAF is looking for. Much has taken place, if J-20 is in making, J-10Bs are on the scene, SD-10B are being workedout with i don't see any reason if behind the scenes an AESA radar is getting ready for next blocks.
even Some senior posters are feeling such here is a post from munir (who is a very informed source)
I have a feeling that the FC20 is a testbed for JF17 block 2. The technology in JF17 is pretty decent but still far from what we will see in JSF, Rafale or Gripen NG. Block 2 will achieve that with minimum time and costs. I will not be suprised if block 2 is lower RCS (which is pretty low at the moment), big screen cockpit, HMS, IFR (retractable), composites with RAM and angles to minimize RCS, dual all moveable tail, bigger wings, a little longer fuselage, gear retracting into the LERX, and hopefully 2/4 BVR's in the belly.
 

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Hi, I do not want to derail this thread into a JF-17 discussion. But I highly doubt the JF-17 Block 2 will have a dual movable tail, landing gear in LERX, longer fuselage, or larger wing. The latter 2 features will require a much more powerful engine than the RD-93. But then again, maybe they might use the WS-13.

Yes, this technology is available via the J-20. But, incorporating this into the JF-17 would require a complete redesign, and you might as well start with a new plane. If we are lucky we might see some of these features in the Block 3 version.

However, I am glady hoping that my assumptions are incorrect and time will show that I was wrong in this case. Thanks!
 

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