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Harvard Genetics Study Explodes Myth of Hindu Racial Purity

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  1. RiazHaq

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    Haq's Musings: Harvard Genetics Study Finds Most Indians Are Not Indigenous

    "To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races -- the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, leader of the Hindu Nationalist RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh)
    Debunking the myth of "the purity of the Race" pushed by Hindu Nationalist leader Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, a Harvard study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics has found that vast majority of Indians today have descended from a mixture of two genetically divergent populations--Ancestral North Indians (ANIs) who migrated from Central Asia, the Middle East, the Caucasus, and Europe, and Ancestral South Indians (ASI), who are not closely related to groups outside the subcontinent.

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    Source: World Values Survey and Washington Post

    Geographically, Ancestral North Indians (ANIs) tend to be more concentrated in the northern and western parts of India closer to West Asia, while Ancestral South Indians are found mostly in southern and eastern parts of India.

    The paper, titled "Genetic Evidence for Recent Population Mixture in India" confirms that North Indians ancestors started migrating to India from outside thousands of years before the advent of Islam. ANIs and ASIs routinely intermarried between 4,200 and 1,900 years ago until the imposition of strict segregation by the Hindu caste system, according to the study.

    With segregation strictly in place, the Indian society moved toward endogamy—the practice of avoiding intermarriage or close relationships between ethnic groups—which reached its most extreme form in the creation of the caste system which remains in force to this day. A 2011 report found that in “40 percent of the schools across sample districts in Uttar Pradesh—India’s most populous state, with 199 million people—teachers and students refuse to partake of government-sponsored free midday meals because they are cooked by dalits (untouchables).”

    The paper is based on the work of researchers from Harvard, MIT, and the CSIR-Center for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad, India. They conducted what they call the “most comprehensive sampling of Indian genetic variation to date,” using samples collected from 571 individuals belonging to 73 “well-defined ethno-linguistic groups.” The data allowed the authors to trace not just the genetic mixture between these groups but how long ago this mixture occurred.

    Similar genetic studies of Pakistanis published in the American Journal of Human Genetics have found very diverse ancestral origins of the people in the country. These range from Balochis with origins in Aleppo (modern Syria) to Brahuis who are indigenous Dravidian, and Baltis of Sino-Tibetan ancestry to Pashtuns of Jewish or Central Asian origins.

    These genetic studies offer strong rebuttal of Hindu Nationalists' claims of "racial purity" of Hindus. Genetics confirm that most Indians (and Pakistanis) are, in fact, people of mixed or foreign ancestry regardless of their faith.


    Haq's Musings: Harvard Genetics Study Finds Most Indians Are Not Indigenous
     
  2. Black Widow

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    Since when Hinduism start believing in racial purity??? We never allowed in-breeding, we (hinduism allow multi-cultural marriage. Hinduism never talk about racial purity.. Though culturally we are same what we were 1000s of year ago.

    King of Ayodhya married to daughter of Afghiantan. King of Patliputra married to Daughter of Greece. Like wise there are many examples where Indian married ppl from all over world.


    Hybrid is always good, in breeding is wrong. Even animal don't allow inbreeding.


    I am reading Guruji (Sri Golwarkar) book. Let me see what he said.. If he said something which I am not agree with, I will condemn it..


    The Book the auther reffered here:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/95053816/We-or-Our-Nationhood-Defined-Shri-M-S-Golwalkar-Guruji-1
     
  3. bronxbull

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    White people keep making the same mistake again and again,It is not Racial Purity but cultural and temeprmental,as usual their mental framework is stuck in race concepts as thats all they understand.

    and not to forget people like Riaz Haq who has no clue as to what he is saying.
     
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    Great piece again.

    Thanks!
     
  5. DarkPrince

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    u r da most clueless person over here masi. u want da truth ?? let me give u the truth

    its a MAN'S world. so stop jumping like a kangaroo :omghaha:
     
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    What is new is the fact that interracial marriage had taken place until 1900 years ago, the rest is pretty much intuitive. It's now left to the historians and social scientists to find out why the segregation started at that time.
     
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    whats the connection?

    I am not a feminist like many out there,what bkwaas are you saying here chotu,relevant baatein kiya karo.
     
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    Racial Purity and Dharmic faiths? :hitwall:

    Since pigs can't fly, I am out of here. :wave: :closed:
     
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    What on earth is the blog post even trying to imply? :cheesy:
     
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    Riaz Haq knows what he's saying because he has mastered writing crap about Indians and Hindus.
     
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    1- Indians are the most racist people around.

    2- North Indians are from Central Asia and south Indians are natives.

    3- North and South Indians intermarried till segregation was enforced in shape of caste-ism which is still in practice today.

    4- Racial purity is a myth.

    To be fair its not his research, he merely pointed out the highlights of a research project done by a highly respected research institute.
     
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    Since when did Hindus ever believe in Racial purity?

    This is something new...never knew that there was even a 'myth' of racial purity in India.

    Laugh worthy.
     
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    Looking at the forum posts,its pakistanis like Razpak who are more concerned about muslim racial purity or how fair they are?
    Not a wonder Pashtuns,Baloch hate the Pakistani punjabis with an extreme passion.
     
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    Yeah thats what the OP is trying to say, not the research paper. And the OP has zero credibility so why should we listen to him?

    This is from the research paper.

    So Indians are a mixture of North Indians and South Indians, thats good news for the country!
     
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    The survey specifically mentions Pakistan:

    • Pakistan, remarkably tolerant, also an outlier. Although the country has a number of factors that coincide with racial intolerance – sectarian violence, its location in the least-tolerant region of the world, low economic and human development indices – only 6.5 percent of Pakistanis objected to a neighbor of a different race. This would appear to suggest Pakistanis are more racially tolerant than even the Germans or the Dutch.

    Proud to be a Pakistani :pakistan: