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Germans must of given us assurances on these engines then backed out last minute, must of been for a major reason as this will damage their credibility as arms suppliers. Anyway, I say f**k'em, eventually China, South Korea and Turkey will be producing world class sub engines, just that we need those Hangors asap
If turkey can produces submarine engine why can't Pakistan produce it?
 

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Trust the Chinese, they didn't become a global superpower by bs'ing.

Of course Chinese option is there,

BUT,

that option is definitely not the best one.

Chinese subs modernized with state of art Western tech were supposed to give Pakistan's underwater arm a balanced capability between quality and quantity.
 
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can the chinese tech stand toe-to-toe with US or Europe (honest Question)?
The technology development progresses linearly, not through quantum leaps. The West started much earlier, the Chinese are catching up with the following leverages:
  • A much larger talent pool. If West puts 10 engineers/scientists for a project, the Chinese put 100 engineers/scientists. So, acceleration is 10x higher
  • The Chinese have access to the already developed platforms: it a HUUGE plus. All property is stolen - Karl Marx
  • The Chinese have the motivation to supersede the opponents. If a western folk works for 8 hrs/day a Chinese folk works for 16 hrs/day
  • Etc.
 

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The technology development progresses linearly, not through quantum leaps. The West started much earlier, the Chinese are catching up with the following leverages:
  • A much larger talent pool. If West puts 10 engineers/scientists for a project, the Chinese put 100 engineers/scientists. So, acceleration is 10x higher
  • The Chinese have access to the already developed platforms: it a HUUGE plus. All property is stolen - Karl Marx
  • The Chinese have the motivation to supersede the opponents. If a western folk works for 8 hrs/day a Chinese folk works for 16 hrs/day
  • Etc.
still doesnt answer the question. is it equal to what was on offer/required right now?
 

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still doesnt answer the question. is it equal to what was on offer/required right now?
The inference is with time it'll cross over the West. I have no clue where they stand now. But, a bird in hand is better that a 100 in bushes. Something is better than nothing...

Of course Chinese option is there,

BUT,

that option is definitely not the best one.

Chinese subs modernized with state of art Western tech was supposed to give Pakistan's underwater arm a balanced capability between quality and quantity.
In this case Pak may join the Turkish MILDEN (National Submarine) project...
 

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The inference is with time it'll cross over the West. I have no clue where they stand now. But, a bird in hand is better that a 100 in bushes. Something is better than nothing...
that something will now be delayed, and will cause cost overruns, will leave gaps that will compromise security etc. etc.

In this case Pak may join the Turkish MILDEN (National Submarine) project...
will it be delivered for the same price, and in the same time frame as the ones already on order?
 

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will it be delivered for the same price, and in the same time frame as the ones already on order?
Thanks to the exposure to the German submarine technology under TOT and local manufacturing, a ecosystem for the crucial components R&D and manufacturing is coming to reality fast. As for design, metallurgy, body, electronics, acoustics, systems controls, battle management, AIP, integration etc., indigenous platforms are ready as they are being integrated into the current subs. As for the marine/sub engine, a JV has been formed with the Ukrainian companies...

As for the MILDEN project progress, the first submarine to be delivered in 2030...

 

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A solution is already underway......nuff said.

Of course Chinese option is there,

BUT,

that option is definitely not the best one.

Chinese subs modernized with state of art Western tech were supposed to give Pakistan's underwater arm a balanced capability between quality and quantity.

China has offered a solution that is close or surpassed the Gerries. THEY WILL COME LOL.
 
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