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Nishan_101

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Hi everyone, i wanted to say that (especially to indians) that india should concentrate on doing things with others rather than believing upon them. I also wanted to mention that (as i am not an expert) instead of LCA they should develop a much bigger fighter like twin engine one like the Rafael or Typhoon or even a single engine fighter like F-16's/J-10 with different versions like carrier borne versions also and try to develop separately an AJT rather than LCA twin seater. they must have develop jointly major components with other countries like E.U or russia or israel like:
1. A complete set of Avionics.
2. Weapons of different class (that even can be used for other services like can be placed on Frigates or Air Defence systems).
3. Engine.
4. Taking help in designing the air frame.
 

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@ Nishan, you have a valid point, But India has been doing that.... And That too without affecting Our Project LCA..... We are jointly developing with other countries and aswell as Doing a bit of R&D....

And LCA is developed By the experiance we Gain from the Joint ventures, and, India would take up MCA as and when we gain much experiance In the R&D of Aircrafts... Dont worry India is doing just fine...
 
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Hi everyone, i wanted to say that (especially to indians) that india should concentrate on doing things with others rather than believing upon them. I also wanted to mention that (as i am not an expert) instead of LCA they should develop a much bigger fighter like twin engine one like the Rafael or Typhoon or even a single engine fighter like F-16's/J-10 with different versions like carrier borne versions also and try to develop separately an AJT rather than LCA twin seater. they must have develop jointly major components with other countries like E.U or russia or israel like:
1. A complete set of Avionics.
2. Weapons of different class (that even can be used for other services like can be placed on Frigates or Air Defence systems).
3. Engine.
4. Taking help in designing the air frame.
Don't worry friend we already do the JV in 5th Gen Fighter, MTV, Barak 8 and lot more here with other countries so don't worry about us...
 

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Both are not developed and would require more time and money, what we can expect now is 98kN from the GE 414 and 90-95 kN from EJ 200.



So what do you think, when can we expect the end of this testing and the start of the serial production?
Regarding engine, things will clear after the deal which should haapen by now but no news till now.

I think we all know that IOC will clear by end of this year and i heard first aircraft will join by II qtr of next year.

And if all goes well then we have full sqd of LCA by end of next year.:)
 

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Kaveri is under development just like WS 13, both will years to be mature and proven, but unlike PAF, or PLAAF which might be ready to take the risk with unproven engines, IAF wanted proven engines and will go for those which needs the least changes.
The US engine has the same diameter as the present engine in MK1, but mostlikely will need bigger air intakes. The EF engine instead is smaller and is said to be integrated without any airframe re-designs.
Kaveri engine will only be integrated into LCA if it is mature enough, or directly into future MCA.
yess both are in development stages..bt the complex thing is to redesign the airframe for the engine and then testing and many things which are very complex

and i dnt think so LCA MK2 development is started.
wher as jf-17 engine testing started,IRST integration,300KG composite material usage in the airframe and in future in great number.
the only thing is remaining AESA radar...will see china will come with AESA or frm the italy vixen 1000ES.
 

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Dude if u look at the specification of RD-33 and ws-13 they are almost same length,diameter,also increase of thrust is not much mere 5KN.

but the EJ and GE-414 offer for LCA have thrust around 100.

GE-414 EPE:115KN -without much change in length and specification.
Improved version of EJ:110KN.

EJ is more suited to LCA because we don't have to do much changes,unlike 414.

But yes u r right MK2 will be come around 2014.:)

well improving an engien doesnt take much time.and we will only put it in jf if it has 100Kn power.soem site suggest that ws-13A will hav upto 100KN thrust.
and non of the two possible engine LCA has upto 100KN engine.
and full scale production of LCA will be started by around 2013.becasue f-17 IOC was in 2008 and serial production in 2009 july.so Timesofindia reported that LCA Mk2 will be around 2018..
 

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well improving an engien doesnt take much time.and we will only put it in jf if it has 100Kn power.soem site suggest that ws-13A will hav upto 100KN thrust.
and non of the two possible engine LCA has upto 100KN engine.
and full scale production of LCA will be started by around 2013.becasue f-17 IOC was in 2008 and serial production in 2009 july.so Timesofindia reported that LCA Mk2 will be around 2018..
You should look things in both ways.

You were saying improving the engine doesn't take much time

and other way u was so sure that two possible engine for LCA were not 100KN.

Yes now they are not but what if GE and europe offer extended verion of their and as u only said this modification much time,so there would not be any delay.. rite.

I donn't know from where u got that date please provide the link and it will be no surprise it will come from TOI,these day they r making habbit of publishing BS article.

Also please elaborate this line bit more

becasue f-17 IOC was in 2008 and serial production in 2009 july.so Timesofindia reported that LCA Mk2 will be around 2018
 

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India’s LCA flies in the configuration of Indian Air Force ready for delivery in December 2010

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?n=India%E2%80%99s%20LCA%20flies%20in%20the%20configuration%20of%20Indian%20Air%20Force%20ready%20for%20delivery%20in%20December%202010&id=4577

he first flight of India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Limited Series Production (LSP) aircraft, LSP-4 took place at HAL, Bangalore airport today.

The aircraft took off at 1110 hrs and landed forty minutes later, becoming the 10th Tejas aircraft flying.

The aircraft flew to an altitude of 11 km and went supersonic touching 1.1 Mach speed.

A major milestone in the direction of releasing the Tejas for the IAF planned for December 2010 it was the first flight of a Tejas aircraft flying in the configuration that will be finally delivered to the Indian Air Force.

Speaking on the occasion, Mr PS Subramanyam, Director, Aeronautical Development Agency, Bangalore, said that the Tejas team is now heading to central India to carry out hot weather trials.

He expressed confidence that the aircraft would soon be flown by operational pilots of the defense services and he looked forward to that day.

Test Pilot Gp Capt Suneet Krishna, flew the aircraft with Test Director, Gp Capt D Chakravorty, guiding from the telemetry facility of National Flight Test Centre. The flight was also witnessed by ACNS (Air) at Naval HQ Cmde BS Prahar, NM.

The Indian Navy has a considerable stake in the programme, as they look to replace their Sea Harrier fleet, which is due to be phased out in due course.
 

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LCA is more deadly than Jaguars in service.

If only IAF had shown some confidence and funded LCA properly, things would have been faster and different today.

And, on top of that, IAF delayed MK-II GSQR by 4 years. Due to confused minded IAF top brass, now DRDO has to redesign a new version of LCA because original calculations of IAF for LCA went wrong and now they want a higher power version of it.

Anyways, this is not only example of IAF's blunder. They already committed a blunder by choosing faulty British Hawk AJT. The whole fleet is almost in grounded position and is of no use. Billions of dollar is wasted on a junk just because elite minded IAF hates pot belly DRDO scientists and they love shiney good looking imported products.

Its a shame really when your own people(IAF) don't support you.
 

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If that would be true, IAF had the chance with the first MRCA competitions. They could have easily gone with foreign fighters and scrap LCA, but that is not the case right? More money was invested in LCA and indigenous techs and MMRCA will still only replace one parts of the Mig 21.
Also if IAF would be against indigenous developments like you say, how come the go for numbers of Dhruv, LCH, LOH, Saras, indigenous trainer and UAVs, SAMs and other weapns?
You theory clearly has no base, because IAF is clearly doing the exact opposite and is pushing our defense industry, but of course they are not stupid enough to rely only on them. Just like they don't want to rely so much on Russia anymore and diversify the fleet with western counterparts too.
Are you kidding? LOL.

IAF did everything to badmouth and kill LCA project from time to time. MRCA tender came out only because IAF succeeded in delaying LCA fundings from time to time.

And, by the way, since when IAF funded LCA?

The whole LCA project from 1989 to 2008 was funded by taxpayers money and not IAF. IAF had no stakes in LCA project.

It was Indian Navy(IN) who showed some brains and saved the LCA project when IAF was about to close the LCA completely by pushing aggressively for full import of MRCA.

IN's interest in LCA gave some breathing space to crucial R&D phase of LCA project leaders and public outcry also forced IAF to order a small number of 20 LCA's to save their face in public.

IAF is known as "Imported Air Force" and there is a good reason for that. IAF was "forced" to invest in LCA project only in 2009 year-end when PM stepped in and slapped the IAF for their prejudiced against DRDO and domestic R&D.

IAF's love for imports is well known. It was IAF who forced HAL to close Aircraft R&D division during 1970's and India never recovered from that blunder.

Thanks to Indian Navy who has some brains and understand the importance of domestic R&D. They did a great thing by salvaging LCA from import-hungry morons in IAF.

Also, it was IAF who was badmouthing DRDO scientists in public all the time rather than assisting them solve the GSQR issues rather than delaying the project by deliberately changing GSQR from time to time.

Have you ever seen US Airforce acting in such childish, amateur manner and badmouthing american scientists in Lackheed Martin, in public? They don't act in such way even when their aircrafts crash and R&D is delayed by 4-5 years.

But, you can't expect same maturity from IAF which is full of elite minded fools who think DRDO is some slave who should deliver 4th Generation aircrafts on half the price they pay for imported planes.

What a shame!! I have just one thing to say for them. "Aek Thoo" on IAF.
 

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yess both are in development stages..bt the complex thing is to redesign the airframe for the engine and then testing and many things which are very complex

and i dnt think so LCA MK2 development is started.
wher as jf-17 engine testing started,IRST integration,300KG composite material usage in the airframe and in future in great number.
the only thing is remaining AESA radar...will see china will come with AESA or frm the italy vixen 1000ES.
True.

Thanks to fools in IAF, LCA MK-II will have a delay of 4 years now.

Problem is that, IAF was sleeping from last 8 years and now they suddenly realized that something went wrong with their original GSQR(requirement) of LCA. When it became clear that LCA is near IOC and IOC is now certain, IAF suddenly woke up from its sleep and started yelling, "Oh my God! we are so sorry, guys. Our original design requirements(GSQR) for LCA were wrong. Now we think 90KN engine aircraft is of no use to us. Please guys, now redesign that whole thing again and give us 110KN engine aircraft".

This is how IAF kills a successful project. And, in the meantime when DRDO will repeat whole process and come up with new version, IAF will can now easily say - "Hey guys!, see DRDO is already so slow in making LCA. So now, we should import 250 MRCA instead of just 125 to save time. Why waste money on DRDO which is so slow?"

Cunning IAF screwed LCA once again. Just watch the game played by import hungry corrupt IAF.
 
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