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Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

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It depends who open the fire first.....

Greece has only 158 RM-70 unguided MLRS with range of 20-36 km and 36 M-270 with 152 ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles (165km) .... so weak

Greece doesnt have deep strike capability
only air launched SCALP Cruise Missiles ( 250km ) .... nothing else

on the other hand Greek Island which are 2-10-30 km from Turkish mainland in range of Turkish UCAVs , guided MLRS , Tactical Ballistic Missiles , Cruise Missiles , guided Bombs , Kamikaze Drones

Within 24 hours
All weapons will be destroyed in Islands which are 2-10-30 km from Turkish mainland

30-40 km TRLG-122 laser guided MLRS
70 km TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS
120 km TRG-300 guided MLRS
150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile

16 km MAM-L laser guided Bomb
20 km MAVERIC Missile
30 km MAM-T laser guided Bomb
50 km HGK-82 guided Bomb
75 km POPEYE air launched Cruise Missile
110 km KGK guided Bomb
110 km TOLUN IIR guided Bomb
130 km JSOW glide Bomb
150 km TRLG-230 laser guided air launched Missile

200 km SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone with E/O Camera
200 km KARGI Kamikaze Drone with E/O Camera

also ongoing projects = 40 km KUZGUN-KY , 110 km KUZGUN-SD , 180+ km KUZGUN-TJ , 150 km CAKIR Missiles with IIR guided to hit even moving targets

also SOM , SLAM-ER , ATMACA , BORA , TAYFUN Ballistic/Cruise Missiles for dept strike


Turkiye has the biggest fire power in NATO after USA ....

İn a war , Greece will lose Islands

Do something against Greece and the support of your Awacs will be cut immediatly by uncle Sam. That means that your bird will be out of order in weeks because no dedicated spare parts.
Even before if uncle Sam had installed a software on/off switch on its AWACS software (a kind of ALIS)

Nice dream but reality is different


Boeing E-7T AEWC with Turkish HAVELSAN software

Uncle Sam can not do anything
even Uncle Sam do it in a war , then USA will lose its credibility and Nobody will buy weapons from USA anymore

also E-7T AEWC is based on civil plane Boeing-737
and Turkish Airlines and other Airlines have spare parts for Boeing-737

so stop dreaming
 
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Greece has only 158 RM-70 unguided MLRS with range of 20-36 km and 36 M-270 with 152 ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles (165km) .... so weak
Far than enough to destroy all the S400 in the region.

Boeing E-7T AEWC with Turkish HAVELSAN software

Uncle Sam can not do anything
even Uncle Sam do it in a war , then USA will lose its credibility and Nobody will buy weapons from USA anymore
A turkish software to drive the coffee machine inside?
USA and credibility ? Just remember the 100 F35 ordered and partially paid by.... Turkey !

Within 24 hours
All weapons will be destroyed in Islands which are 2-10-30 km from Turkish mainland
Sure, but after they have made all sorts of destructions among the S400 battery, the HQ, the fuel tanks, the radars, the airfields....
 

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Attack Helicopters


Greece :
60 KIOWA
so funny even Turkish UCAVs have better fire power than pathetic KIOWA
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Turkiye : 40+ AH-1P and 10 AH-1W
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Modern Attack Helicopters
Greece : 28 AH-64
Turkiye : 83 T-129

Turkiye has the best Attack Helicopter fleet in NATO , after USA
 
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Far than enough to destroy all the S400 in the region.

Only in your dreams

better worry about how to defend Islands
We will re-take our Islands in a war and nobody can stop us



A turkish software to drive the coffee machine inside?
USA and credibility ? Just remember the 100 F35 ordered and partially paid by.... Turkey !

Well come to ignorant troll team

HAVELSAN
Mission System Software
Ground Support Center Software



don't compare apples and pears
USA blocked sale of F-35 to Turkiye
but you are talking about to use on/off switch ... İf Uncle Sam do it in a war , then USA will lose its credibility and Nobody will buy weapons from USA anymore

and USA will lose Turkiye to China-Russia block


Sure, but after they have made all sorts of destructions among the S400 battery, the HQ, the fuel tanks, the radars, the airfields....

And Greece will lose Islands and will cry for decades as like Cyprus 1974

never forget about it
Turkiye is watching Islands 24/7 ,, if Greece deploy ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles in Islands then Turkish Armed Forces will hit ATACMS

Stationing weapons-troops on islands violates 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris

btw Turkiye has strategic dept ( 1.000+ km ) .. Greece can not attack all Turkish air bases , fuel Tanks , Radars , etc
 
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and nobody can stop us
as in 1664, or 1918.....

İf Uncle Sam do it in a war , then USA will lose its credibility and Nobody will buy weapons from USA anymore
They did, as when they didn't agree UAE and Egypt to use their F16 in Syria in 2011. I haven't seen the world not purchasing US weapons since.

Stationing weapons-troops on islands violates 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris
And Chyprus is not a turkish violation of international laws ?
 

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as in 1664, or 1918.....

as in 1922 , 1974 , 1996


They did, as when they didn't agree UAE and Egypt to use their F16 in Syria in 2011. I haven't seen the world not purchasing US weapons since.

still you compare apples with pears
using restriction is a thing and using on/off switch is another thing

btw The UAE said go to hell USA with your F-35 andThe UAE bought Rafale from France
also Egypt buys Rafale from France , MIG-29M2 and SU-35 from Russia

Turkiye said go to hell USA with your PATRIOT and Turkiye bought S400 from Russia

USA is losing its credibility
and if USA use on/off switch in an American weapon
then Nobody will buy weapons from USA anymore



And Chyprus is not a turkish violation of international laws ?

No

Turkiye is a guarantor country in Cyprus according to London Zurich Treaties of February 1959

Turkish military operation is 100% legal


1964-1974
USA-EU backed Greeks tried to take whole Cyprus between 1964 and 1974 ,
in finally Turkish military operation saved the Turkish Cypriots and their legal rights in Cyprus

1/3 of Cyprus belongs to the Turks , and Nobody can change this reality
 

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Indeed. And Donald T said "Turkey can say good bye to F35".

Turkiye develops its own KIZILELMA and TFX Fighter Jets

USA also blocked sale of UCAV to Turkiye
and in 10 years , Turkiye was become Drone super power in the world with is own TB-2 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAV


France-Germany still dreaming about EUROMALE UAV for 2028


LOL. You are not serious Bro.

İf you are so ignorant , its your problem

Turkiye,Greece and The UK are guarantor countries in Cyprus according to London Zurich Treaties of February 1959

Greek EOKA Terror organization attacked and killed Turkish Cypriots to take whole Cyprus between 1964 and 1974

in finally Turkiye as a guarantor country gave a lesson to savage Greeks in 1974
Turkish military operation is 100% legal
 
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ALPAGUT Loitering Munition


It will be a game changer on the battlefield with its artificial intelligence algorithms and superior sensor technologies.


Lenght : 2.3 m
Weight : 45 kg
Warhead : 11 kg
Range : 60+ km
Guidance : TV , IIR , GPS , INS

Platforms :Land , Air , Naval

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to hit enemy Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS , Radars , medium range Air Defense Systems

nowhere to hide , nowhere to run
 
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BAYKAR and ROKETASAN signed a cooperation agreement for IIR Guided MAM-L, ÇAKIR and SUNGUR munitions


Head of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir

"I ask our friends to prepare for at least 200 ÇAKIR and 1000 SUNGUR Missiles "

Roketsan General Manager Murat Ikinci
" 8 km SUNGUR missile which will be used in air to air missions in Bayraktar TB2 and AKINCI, will have a game-changing effect."

SUNGUR Missile : to hit enemy UAV-UCAVs , Attack-Utility Helicopters
CAKIR Missile : to hit AD Systems , Warships from 150 km away

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Answering the question about the sale of Eurofighter Fighter Jets to Turkiye



British Defense Minister Ben Wallace participated in the "SAHA EXPO Defense, Aviation and Space Industry Fair" held in Istanbul .. 26.10.2022

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Wallace said, "The best Fighter Jets in the world. There is a strong cooperation behind them. The nice thing is that you can add any feature of your own defense industry.
Eurofighter is not closed system, you use another country's systems by paying a lot of money. " said

Wallace stated that Turkish missiles can also be placed on Eurofighter Fighter Jets

but purchase depends on Turkiye's decision

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President Erdogan: 29.10.2022
"When the TAYFUN missiles started to be fired, what did the Greeks start to do?
It was immediately on the agenda on television broadcasts.

Just wait, {this just the beginning,} the others is yet to come."
 

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Wallace stated that Turkish missiles can also be placed on Eurofighter Fighter Jets

Very interesting carrot for sure!!! Part of building more connections between the UK and Turkey, on top of the BAe and TFX connection. The starting point for the Turkish Eurofighter offer - if they want to buy of course - will be version that was pitched for the Finland offer. UK is certainly making a sales pitch - but of course - Turkey could be just window shopping. It would represent a significant capapbility upgrade over the Rafale and highlight some of the newer information workflow concepts to Turkish officers. That diversity will aid the development of some of the concepts for TFX.


The Large Displayt Cockpit screen provides much better information density and the ability to visually correlate data and situation awareness for the pilot - which is why I was hoping that the JF17 Block III had adopted it (alongside a side controller with now the 4way quadraplex FBW..) - but by all indications, JF17 Block III has kept the 3 display layout of the block I/II series still as well as other cockpit layout items if commentary here and other chinese defence forums is believed.

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If they give us source code should not be a problem to put our own AESA radar and weapons, upgrading Tranche EF to EF TM could be possible. In the end our own upgrade program to the F16 is not cheap, or they upgrade it to T3 or T4 and give the source code to use our own weapons.

In this case money should not the problem..
 

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The Large Displayt Cockpit screen provides much better information density and the ability to visually correlate data and situation awareness for the pilot - which is why I was hoping that the JF17 Block III had adopted it (alongside a side controller with now the 4way quadraplex FBW..) - but by all indications,

Turkiye ( Aselsan ) can modernize Eurofighters

even TAI HURJET is eqiupped with the large display cockpit screen

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Very interesting carrot for sure!!!

American F-35 is a flying computer
without American permission Turkish F-35 can not even take off

while F-35 , Eurofighter is not closed system and The UK offers Turkiye to use its own missiles

100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile enter service in 2023
and Ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missile will be superior to the METEOR in speed and in technological capability with the next generation seeker , two-way datalink , expanded no-escape envelope, improved high angle off-boresight capability , etc


To match with RAFALE in BVR Combat

1 ) to buy Eurofighter armed with METEOR air to air missiles

2 ) to buy F-16 Block 70 armed wiith AIM-120D air to air missiles

3 ) modernized F-16 with MURAD AESA Radar + Ramjet powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles

4 ) KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to carry GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in the internal weapon bay for stealth flight capability


First detect the enemy Fighter Jets then press the kill button and game over in BVR combat

Even 20 km is impressive when you realize the KIZILELMA has already killed the 4+ gen Fighters Rafale , SU-35 , F-16V , F-15 a couple times before you visually IDed him.
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