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Greece seeks to join F-35 program as it lobbies against Turkey F-16 sale​


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WASHINGTON — Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis visited the White House and Congress this week to make his country’s case for acquiring the F-35 stealth fighter jet while lobbying against Turkey’s attempts to upgrade its aging fleet of F-16s and acquire additional aircraft.

Not to be outdone, Turkish officials will visit Washington later this week to make their case for Congress to consent to an approximately $400 million deal to upgrade their F-16 jets with new missiles, radar and electronics — a prospect made more complicated by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s recent vows to block Sweden and Finland from joining NATO.

On Monday, Mitsotakis announced after a meeting with President Joe Biden that Greece will move forward with its bid to acquire the F-35 after 2028.

“We will launch the process for the acquisition of a squadron of F-35 aircraft, and we do hope to be able to add this fantastic plane to the Greek Air Force before the end of this decade,” Mitsotakis said at the White House.

He also noted Lockheed Martin — which produces F-35s and F-16s — “officially expressed its interest in investing in Hellenic aerospace” last week, right before his visit to Washington.

Media outlets in Greece cited Greek government officials as noting Lockheed Martin has invited Athens to join the F-35 co-production program.

“Building on our partnership of more than 75 years, we are honored the Greek government is interested in the F-35, and we will provide any support the U.S. government requires in discussions about an acquisition,” Lockheed Martin told Defense News in a statement.

Turkey has some explaining to do​

The United States kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program in 2019 over Ankara’s purchase of the Russian S-400 missile defense system amid fears its advanced radar system could allow Moscow to spy on the F-35 stealth fighter jets.

In addition to the F-16 upgrades that the Biden administration notified Congress of last week, Erdogan has also sought to buy 40 Block 70 F-16 fighter jets. He has framed the roughly $6 billion purchase as compensation for Turkey’s financial losses in the F-35 program.

But Mitsotakis used an address to a joint meeting of Congress on Tuesday to issue a thinly veiled warning to lawmakers against allowing the F-16 sale to Turkey to proceed.

“We will not accept open acts of aggression that violate our sovereignty and our territorial rights,” he said in reference to recent Turkish incursions of Greek airspace. “These include overflights over Greek islands, which must stop immediately.”

“The last thing that NATO needs at a time when our focus is helping defeat Russian aggression is another source of instability on NATO’s southeastern flank,” Mitsotakis added to applause from lawmakers. “I ask you to take this into account when you make defense procurement decisions concerning the eastern Mediterranean.”

Mitsotakis pressed his case in separate meetings with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., as well as the bipartisan, bicameral leaders of the foreign affairs committees, who can unilaterally block arms sales. Those meetings included coffee with Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Bob Menendez, D-N.J., one of Turkey’s staunchest opponents on Capitol Hill.

Still, Menendez’s less hardline counterparts recently signaled a cautious openness to greenlighting the F-16 sale for Turkey given its support for Ukraine. But Ankara’s recent threats to tank Sweden and Finland’s bids for NATO membership have created uncertainty over whether those same lawmakers will allow the F-16 sale to proceed.

“Turkey has some explaining to do,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y., told Defense News. “They’ve been doing the right thing — I think — to a large degree. That’s important to me, but there’s other things that I still have problems with that we need to have a dialogue and conversation.”

Meeks said that dialogue would include Turkish opposition to Swedish and Finnish NATO membership. Erdogan has accused both countries of supporting the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which Turkey designates a terrorist group.

Erdogan has demanded Sweden and Finland rescind an arms embargo on Ankara instated after Turkey’s 2019 offensive against the northeast Syrian Kurdish-dominated administration with close ties to the PKK. Every country in NATO must consent to adding a new member to the alliance, allowing Turkey to unilaterally tank the bid.

Rep. Mike McCaul, R-Texas, the ranking member on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, warned Erdogan’s blockade of the two potential new NATO allies could sink the F-16 sale.

“Greece has been a very good ally with Ukraine, but then again so has Turkey,” McCaul told Defense News. “The big hiccup with Turkey is when Erdogan came out indicating that he may not support Finland [and] Sweden being in NATO. That would be problematic for Turkey.”

McCaul suggested Turkey could ship its S-400 system to Ukraine, which has desperately sought advanced air defense systems against Russian aerial power. In return, he said the U.S. could send Turkey a Patriot missile system — an arrangement similar to the one Washington struck with Slovakia after it dispatched its S-300 system to Ukraine.

He could have an opportunity to raise that prospect when Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusgolu visits Washington on Wednesday.

 

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One one hand it would be a nice propaganda weapon,on the other it would be ridiculously expensive for us to get a whole squadron,unless the Americans give them to us at a good price,deliver them way before the end of the decade and offer free spare parts or maintainance costs. You never know. Sometimes Americans do that stuff.

Then again,would it be worth having such an expensive jet fighter?

What I know is that,before the Turks got the S-400s and got kicked out of the F-35 program,they had been boasting about it as if it's a superweapon,saying that Greek dominance over the Aegean's skies would end with this.After they got kicked out of the program though,the Turkish community online was divided between those who called it a bad aircraft and those who liked it.

If you ask me,I think our priority should be to buy Drone Dome and other weapons to counter Turkey's UAVs and UCAVs.

I wouldn't mind 6 or 12 F-35s now,but a full squadron is too expensive.
 

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Greece doesn’t has the economic strength to face Turkey.

And, Turkey already being a military juggernaut with its fastly growing Weapons industry, the gap would continue to widen.
 

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Kinda like India vs. Pakistan, thanks to the neutrals.
Sadly, true. They might not have that kind of industrial superiority in weapons tech, but on the economic front, the gap would continue to increase.

Hope Mr Brainiac goes without doing further damage.
 

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Ok then,would you surrender to India?
I think you interpreted my opinion wrongly, I just highlighted the stark contrast between Turkish and Greek capabilities.

And I don’t think either Pakistan or Greece should surrender. They just need to play smartly as they have been doing.
 

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I think you interpreted my opinion wrongly, I just highlighted the stark contrast between Turkish and Greek capabilities.

And I don’t think either Pakistan or Greece should surrender. They just need to play smartly as they have been doing.
We need to:

  • Buy anti-drone systems
  • Replace the OSA-AKMs and Hawk with modern AA systems
  • Finally order corvettes
  • Upgrade the Leopard 2A4s
  • Get a modern IFV
I forgot to mention earlier that Lockheed-Martin wants to invest in Greece.
 

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We need to:

  • Buy anti-drone systems
  • Replace the OSA-AKMs and Hawk with modern AA systems
  • Finally order corvettes
  • Upgrade the Leopard 2A4s
  • Get a modern IFV
I forgot to mention earlier that Lockheed-Martin wants to invest in Greece.


Greece never can match with upcoming Turkish military power
Greece is a little boy and Turkiye is a big boy

Our rival is France and Russia , but not tiny Greece

Turks have NO dreams but real strong defense Industry

-- Hundreds of TB-2 , TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR ,AKINCI UCAVs
-- unmanned Vessels and Submarines armed with anti-ship Missiles and Torpedos
-- RAMJET powered supersonic anti-ship Missile
-- Ballistic - Anti-Ship , Anti-radiation and Cruise Missiles ( BORA , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , KARA-ATMACA , KUZGUN-TJ , TRGL-230 , AKBABA and CAKIR )

-- S400 Air Defense System
-- HISAR-A , HISAR-O and SIPER Air Defense Systems to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles

-- GOKDOGAN and BOZDOGAN air-to-air Missiles
-- GOKHAN Ramjet powered long range air-to-air Missile

-- ALTAY Tank
-- TRG-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- T-155 STORM-II and YAVUZ modern Howitzers
-- Thousands of modern IFVs , AFVs
-- 100+ Attack Helicopters ( T-129 and T-929 )

-- Radar Electronic Warfare Systems ( KORAL , REDET-II )
-- 4 Boeing E7-T AEWC
-- EIRS Early Warning Radars with range of 600 km

-- 6 Type-214TN AIP Submarines
-- STM-500 mini attack Submarines
-- MILDEN class AIP Submarines

-- 4 ADA class Corvettes
-- 4 ISTIF class Frigates
-- 7 TF-2000 class Destroyers
-- 10 OPVs
-- 10 new type stealth FACs

-- TCG ANADOLU light Aircraft Carrier
-- TCG TRAKYA on agenda
-- Aircraft Carrier

-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet by 2025
-- TFX ( MMU ) air superiority Fighter Jet by 2029

-- Turkish F-16 modernization programs ( 35+ 80 ) block70 standard
-- 40 new F-16V

and İf No F-16V to Turkiye , then 30+80 Eurofighter Typhoon from the UK

Turkish Air Force Commander visits the UK .... 13 may 2022

-- the cooperation opportunities for the TF-X and TEMPEST projects of the two countries
-- another UK partnership in the TF-X project to work on the engine with Rolls Royce
-- to sell Eurofighters to Turkiye

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Sanctions are a blessing

Yes you are 100% right ... Sanctions are a blessing

-- USA blocked sale of UCAVs to Turkiye and Turkiye was become Drone Super Power
( TB-2 , TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR ,AKINCI UCAVs )

-- USA blocked transfer of F-35s to Turkiye and Turkiye will have its own stealth Fighter Jets

KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet by 2025
TFX ( MMU ) air superiority Fighter Jet by 2029
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Turkiye has started developing national defense industry after American arms embargo on Turkiye in 1975

TAI , TEI , ASELSAN , HAVELSAN , ROKETSAN , STM and many more Turkish defense companies develops 800+ military projects to become real military power in the world
 

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Greece never can match with upcoming Turkish military power
Greece is a little boy and Turkiye is a big boy

Our rival is France and Russia , but not tiny Greece

Turks have NO dreams but real strong defense Industry

-- Hundreds of TB-2 , TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR ,AKINCI UCAVs
-- unmanned Vessels and Submarines armed with anti-ship Missiles and Torpedos
-- RAMJET powered supersonic anti-ship Missile
-- Ballistic - Anti-Ship , Anti-radiation and Cruise Missiles ( BORA , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , KARA-ATMACA , KUZGUN-TJ , TRGL-230 , AKBABA and CAKIR )

-- S400 Air Defense System
-- HISAR-A , HISAR-O and SIPER Air Defense Systems to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles

-- GOKDOGAN and BOZDOGAN air-to-air Missiles
-- GOKHAN Ramjet powered long range air-to-air Missile

-- ALTAY Tank
-- TRG-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- T-155 STORM-II and YAVUZ modern Howitzers
-- Thousands of modern IFVs , AFVs
-- 100+ Attack Helicopters ( T-129 and T-929 )

-- Radar Electronic Warfare Systems ( KORAL , REDET-II )
-- 4 Boeing E7-T AEWC
-- EIRS Early Warning Radars with range of 600 km

-- 6 Type-214TN AIP Submarines
-- STM-500 mini attack Submarines
-- MILDEN class AIP Submarines

-- 4 ADA class Corvettes
-- 4 ISTIF class Frigates
-- 7 TF-2000 class Destroyers
-- 10 OPVs
-- 10 new type stealth FACs

-- TCG ANADOLU light Aircraft Carrier
-- TCG TRAKYA on agenda
-- Aircraft Carrier

-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet by 2025
-- TFX ( MMU ) air superiority Fighter Jet by 2029

-- Turkish F-16 modernization programs ( 35+ 80 ) block70 standard
-- 40 new F-16V

and İf No F-16V to Turkiye , then 30+80 Eurofighter Typhoon from the UK

Turkish Air Force Commander visits the UK .... 13 may 2022

-- the cooperation opportunities for the TF-X and TEMPEST projects of the two countries
-- another UK partnership in the TF-X project to work on the engine with Rolls Royce
-- to sell Eurofighters to Turkiye

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