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Politically US has more of strangle hold on Germany that China. The fact is Huawei has promised that there is no backdoor. We all know how the US spied on German leaders, even trying to sanction Germany effort to get cheaper gas from Russia. If they want to pay more to spied on my US, then it is their decisions. Either way there is a whole world out there not Anglo-American or European.
Yes. Huawei even provide the source code to UK, France, I Germany Security Agency to sour for any spy program and backdoor as alleged by lying fatman Mike Pompeo and they all found none.
 

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Nope Ericsson beat Huawei and then Nokia beat Ericsson

The Finnish company reached speeds of 4.7 Gbps at its Over-the-Air (OTA) network in Dallas,

They used mmwave which is short ranged and basically cheating the specs which are for GHz communication. Keep your BS elsewhere.
 

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In the past few years, using American technology, the German Chancellor’s phones were tapped.
China has no experience vs. U.S. eavesdropping experience
What logic concludes that the United States is safer?
 

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They used mmwave which is short ranged and basically cheating the specs which are for GHz communication. Keep your BS elsewhere.
Cheating what specs? The consumer cares about coverage (nationwide) , cost , speed and reliability all of these needs are served by mmwave. Plus the antenna foot print is small in terms of power consumption and weight 2.5 kgs as opposed to 25 kilos of the conventional 5g.

Verizon has also solved the problem of indoor mmwave coverage.
does the consumer care that they receive a shorter wave at a higher frequency....no f.e.c.k.s given. :lol:

BS - really! is that the best you got?

 

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Cheating what specs? The consumer cares about coverage (nationwide) , cost , speed and reliability all of these needs are served by mmwave. Plus the antenna foot print is small in terms of power consumption and weight 2.5 kgs as opposed to 25 kilos of the conventional 5g.

Verizon has also solved the problem of indoor mmwave coverage.
does the consumer care that they receive a shorter wave at a higher frequency....no f.e.c.k.s given. :lol:

BS - really! is that the best you got?

mmwave has much shorter range and thus the coverage is low.
 

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In the past few years, using American technology, the German Chancellor’s phones were tapped.
China has no experience vs. U.S. eavesdropping experience
What logic concludes that the United States is safer?
That's not what I heard. The NSA would give the BND phone number lists for them to record and hand back. The NSA would then sneak in numbers like Merkel's.
 

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you keep saying that but Verizon have bet their house on mmwave ...surely they know a thing or two...
I don't say it.


"mmWave 5G networks are ultra-fast, but they're also ultra-short range. To use mmWave technology, you need to be within about a block of a 5G tower, which isn't feasible in suburban and rural areas. mmWave spectrum is also blocked and obscured by doors, windows, trees, and walls, further limiting its available range, and because it requires so many towers for coverage, it's expensive for carriers to deploy."

A scientific paper on mm wave propagation authored by US Federal Government:


"Note that even for short distances, the free space loss can be quite high. This suggests that for applications of millimeter wave spectrum, only short distance communications links will be supported."

see also: mm wave absorbance by atmospheric components such as water and O2.
 

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First mmWave is not Propietry but 3GPP standards drive the technology. Yes the footprint are small and not more then 500 meters realistically 5 km theoretically which will never ever happened. You need to have Line of Sight LOS between the UE and the antenna. So mmWave application is very different as compare to classical or legacy 5G Radios like cmWave. See it like a Hotspot in a mall or stadium or Airport. mmWave need no Towers the antennas are built into Radio. Just put the Radios on a small pole or side of wall and you get coverage just need to run couple of fibers to the Core switch.
Weight is around 5-10 kg size around 24" x 12". Mostly units are build for outdoor installation to survive in Rain Cold and heat. One can literally put a mmWave Radio in a backpack and walk. They also use Beamforming which means they can have upto 32 antennas beams moving all the time to compensate for LOS issues. All big vendors building these Radios they call them 5th generation radios.
Don't ask me to give you the code because I won't. File is 3.8Gig only
Guess so much changed from Analog to 5G.
 

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Oh the same U.S. regime affiliated propaganda mouthpiece that claimed "sources" told them Germany would ban Huawei, decouple from China and other already debunked selfcomforting propaganda lies for consumption by American morons who still havent figured out they are getting conned no matter how blatant it is.
 

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Germany is to impose tough new restrictions on telecoms equipment providers which will effectively exclude Huawei from the buildout of the country’s 5G phone networks.

An IT security bill that Angela Merkel’s cabinet is planning to pass in the coming weeks would stop short of an outright ban on Huawei but creates bureaucratic obstacles that could prove insurmountable for the Chinese company, according to MPs with knowledge of the draft legislation.

A move by the German government to phase out Huawei as a supplier of 5G telecoms equipment would be a huge blow to the Chinese company’s international ambitions. Germany, like the UK, has been one of Huawei’s key markets for expansion outside mainland China and its deals with companies such as Vodafone and Deutsche Telekom have helped turn it into the world’s largest supplier of telecoms equipment.

MPs who have seen the new bill say it will introduce a two-stage approval process for telecoms equipment, involving a technical check of individual components combined with a political assessment of the manufacturer’s “trustworthiness”.

“The German parliament requires the legal means to be able to exclude untrustworthy suppliers like Huawei from the 5G buildout, and this new law appears to do just that,” said Nils Schmid, foreign policy spokesman for the Social Democrats, a junior partner in Ms Merkel’s coalition government who has called for a tougher approach to Huawei.

The bill is not yet finalised and may still undergo technical changes. But it is already clear that it will make it almost impossible for Huawei to participate in Germany’s 5G programme.

“How can Huawei, a company with suspected links to the Chinese state, pass a political trustworthiness test?” said one MP involved in the discussions on the new law. “It’s impossible.”

https://www.ft.com/content/35197477-acef-4429-a1d8-71743ee8d8e3

Huge blow for Huawei
 

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If Germany bans Chinese companies, China should ban German companies. Start with German automakers.
 

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If Germany bans Chinese companies, China should ban German companies. Start with German automakers.
China will not mess with German trade - not going to happen. It will hurt China just as much.
 

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