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Germany Has Fewer Than 10 Tiger And 12 NH90 Helicopters Ready For Combat

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  1. Dai Toruko

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    Germany blames Airbus for the helicopters' low availability, but it is the latest example of the country's general continuing readiness woes.

    BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK JANUARY 2, 2020


    A report has emerged that shows just 15 percent of Germany's Tiger attack helicopters and only around 12 percent of its NH90 transport helicopters were mission capable as of November 2019. The German Armed Forces, or Bundeswehr, has blamed Airbus, which provides contract maintenance services for both types, for the low availability rates, but this also comes as German authorities continue to struggle to improve readiness across the country's military.

    German newspaper Bild was first to report on the low readiness of the two German military helicopter types on Jan. 1, 2020. A leaked Bundeswehr report that the outlet obtained said that eight out of 53 Tigers and 12 of 99 NH90s were "ready-to-use." Germany took delivery of its first Tiger in 2005 from what was then known as Eurocopter, which morphed into Airbus Helicopters in 2014. The German military received the first NH90, which NHIndustries, a consortium that includes Airbus, produces, in 2006.

    Airbus could "only partially meet the contractual obligations" regarding maintenance, the report said, according to Bild. This "incomplete or delayed performance" was a key factor in the readiness problems, the Bundeswehrcomplained.


    Germany's Tigers go through a phase maintenance process after ever 400 flight hours, while personnel conduct similar checks on the NH90s after 600 hours. Bild says that Airbus contractors are responsible for half of these checks on the Tiger fleet and around 90 percent of them with regards to the NH90s.

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    This is hardly the first time that the Bundeswehr has pointed the finger at Airbus over readiness and other issues with regards to its Tigers and NH90s. In October 2019, the German military grounded all of the NH90s it had received prior to 2018 over concerns about their tail rotors. It is very likely that this contributed to the readiness issues for that type. German officials have also complained in the past about lapses in quality control in NH90 production, leading to the delivery of helicopters with extremely limited operational capabilities.

    In 2017, a Tiger assigned to the German contingent in the northwestern African country of Mali also crashed, killing both the pilot and the co-pilot, when its main rotor fell apart in midair. An investigation that wrapped up the following year found that Airbus maintenance contractors had improperly serviced the helicopter before the accident.



    At the same time, the German military has been struggling with negative readiness trends for years now that are tied in no small part to dramatic reductions in defense spending and the overall size of the Bundeswehr in the aftermath of the Cold War. A separate report from the Bundeswehr in 2018 showed that just 12 Tigers and 13 NH90s were mission capable, making it clear that the plight of both fleets certainly isn't new.

    Low availability hasn't been limited to helicopters in recent years, with fixed-wing aircraft, ships, submarines, and more, having equally dismal mission capable rates. The German Air Force's Tornado combat jets, which are aging and in increasingly desperate need of replacement, have been one particular sore spot, with around 35 percent of the aircraft being combat ready as of 2017. Readiness rates for the country's newer Typhoon fighters haven't been significantly better, either.

    Even more notably, by the end of 2017, none of Germany's six Type 212A subs were operational. This predicament persisted for months into the following year.

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    Germany has worked to steadily boost its defense spending since 2014, when Russia's illegal annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region and subsequent military intervention in that country's Eastern Donbass region upended the security calculus in Europe. However, competing priorities and visions of what the Bundeswehr's core roles should be, especially outside the country, as well as difficulties in recruiting and retaining personnel, have complicated those efforts. The need to rely so heavily on Airbus contractors in the first place highlights the lack of organic capacity within the Bundeswehr to maintain major systems.

    Defense spending priorities and requirements for new equipment, especially the curious design of the German Navy's Type 125 frigates, have reflected those debates. The Type 125s have been a saga unto themselves that you can read about more in these past War Zone stories.

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    In November 2019, when the Tigers and NH90s hit their recent readiness low point, the German government did formally announce a pledge to meet NATO's goal of all of its members spending two percent of their gross domestic products on defense. Germany has faced particular criticism, especially from U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration, over its failure to meet this target in recent years.

    When this might happen remains to be seen. German officials have already said they won't reach this spending benchmark by 2024, which is the Alliance's most recent target date for having all of its members reach the two percent mark.

    All told, no matter how much Airbus might be to blame for immediate readiness issues with the Tigers and NH90s, Germany still clearly has much work to do on its end to improve the available rates for those helicopters, as well as other aircraft, ships, and other assets.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...iger-and-12-nh90-helicopters-ready-for-combat
     
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    It's insane. This country is spending 45 billion USD for its military - annually! And yet, they don't even have 20 helicopters ready for combat. This is just sad.
     
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    The level of combat readiness is very low for most European countries. This issue is directly related to the threat perceptions of countries and the geopolitical conditions in their geographies.
     
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    Germany does not need to have big military, that time is long gone.
     
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    why these are remaining operational ? for exercises ? they do not need them also
     
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    This has NOTHING to do with Airbus, just look at Typhoon availability rates in the UK to see this a German Goverment problem of not wanting to pay for defense.. and their desire for someone else to pick up the tab for them.. They have virtually no Typhoons available either, right now..
     
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    Germans just can not work that bad - it is not in their genes. I suppose it is their best ally doing this things with German army through agents. Why? It is not hard to understand.
    After Germany get rid of occupants I advise them to hire some officers of East German Army - they will quickly revive the Prussian traditions.
     
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    The question some have is: What do a modern army need of the equipment what Bundeswehr have? What changes have tactical and stratetic scenarios made in the last 10 years and can the Bundeswehr with its equipment cover the new challanges? Questions questions questions flooding through the generals minds...
     
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    Honestly who does germany fear? There is no newr threat to germany. They can just chill and spend that money on good people of germany
     
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    All. And none.
     
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    Alright fair enough, but where does all the money you spend go to though? You're spending quite an insane amount with little to no combat ready equipment.
     
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    To the "friends" of our politicans. Germany is by far more korrupt then most of other countries. But it is not that kind of korruption if one needs to make his house a bit greater although it is not allowed and he gave some money to the politician or clerk then he can build his house greater. No, but It is a kind of korruption that is in the highest of politics. They take the fiscal revenue and put it directly in their pockets. I have to admit even Erdogan let some money left for the state. Not so in Germany. They take all. They create situations and laws that will allow them to collect all the fiscal revenues, suck them with the use of a lots of artificial produced needs directly in their pocets.
     
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    Looks to me like a serious mismanagement of funds. How do you have a budget of $45 billion and not have readiness. Especially if your military is the size of Germany with such a budget. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the Germans are either doing this on purpose to urge the Americans to urge them to up their spending to 2%, which would mean nearly $ 70 Billion. If this happens it would outmatch France and UK making Germany both the economic and military powerhouse in the EU. I doubt German nationalism and aspiration for power have gone with the defeat in WW2, and this could be a "German" solution to a European problem of having a too powerful Germany. If it's not this then serious corruption or payment to the US for protection, either way the money is being spent somewhere and somehow.
     
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    My bet on these guys build superweapons in underground secret bases and getting prepare to start another world war which is the best thing they do.
     
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    The german government and most of the parties in parlament (except one party) are traitors. They want to destroy germany for the sake of an EU Superstate. They want to have the EU army what already is in the EU papers defined. At the moment the Bundeswehr is controlled by the german parlament, not german gov. The EU army ist controlled by no one in germany but only a handful in the EU. In the papers is written that this EU army is allowed to kill people inside the EU member states if the EU says "kill!". So if there is a strong structur of a ex-Bundeswehr left, then people in germany can resist. And so the Bundeswehr have to die for the full dictatorship of the EU. The money for the Bundeswehr goes into the pockets of only a few. This behavior you can see over all greater projects in germany.

    The UK not only left cause of the money they send to EU, they also left cause if the EU army is implemented, the nuclear arsenal of the UK would had been in the hands of only a few in the EU. This me think was one of the main reason Cameron let the people decide shortly after the EU army was discussed in EU high level.