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German Government To Cancel Saudi Tank Deal

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  1. cabatli_53

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    National powerpack project (1500hp+transmission) is scheduled to catch production of Altay by 2020. Until this time, It is planned to produce around 250 Altay MBT with German engine + transmission. In accordance with German's Saudi Arabia policy, It looks not possible to export Altay+MTU powerpack to S. Arabia.
     
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    Saudis are too stupid to realize that ToT will benefit them in the long run. They rather buy the flashiest toy, than putting in work to develop their own weapons. The oil has blinded them.
     
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    we should build our own tanks. start from scratch
     
  4. My-Analogous

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    Try Al Khalid 2 and we can jointly produce the same and engine is also not a big issue and its from Ukraine
     
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    or maybe take Al Khalid 2 to another level and make even more advanced. redesign it. and maybe build our own engines. we can always headhunt engineers from around the world to bring their expertise and develop a future tank.
    but we need to start
    it would be a great saudi pak tank
     
  6. Sinan out

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    I don't think local production and ToT would be a problem with KSA.

    But the tank is not finished yet.

    1-) Development of Active Protection system AKKOR has not been finished yet.
    2-) Development of National Powerpack project has not finished yet too.

    And we will need to wait till 2020 to see them both finished.....if you are looking for an immediate solution. Altay is not an option.

    You know Al Khalid 2 is not a substitute for Leo 2A6...

    Altay : 65 tonnes
    Leo 2A6: 63 tonnes
    Al Khalid 2: 46 tonnes.

    Ak Khalid is a medium tank wheras Leo and Altay are heavy tanks.
     
  7. Rakan.SA

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    whats the difference between a medium and a heavy tank ?
     
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    Horus ADMINISTRATOR

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    AK-1 is built on Specs provided by KSA during desert testing. KSA has a number of Al-Khalids for testing purposes.

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  9. Sinan out

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    It's like the difference between a medium weight boxer and heavy weight boxer.
     
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    What have you guys done so bad that Germans are cancelling the deal
     
  11. Rakan.SA

    Rakan.SA FULL MEMBER

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    LOL i dont think youll see 2 tanks running into each other head to head in a ring
    i meant technically ?
    there is a difference of 20 tons between the abraham and alkhalid and the latest russian tank. so whats the difference ?
    look at this vid.. they both do the same job so i dont get what you meant by medium and heavy tank
     
  12. Sinan out

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    Mate, increased weight means increased size...hence.

    More armour, better engine, more ammunitions stored in the tank, powerful weapons systems, tank will effect less from the kickback of the gun, etc.... are the things what first comes into my mind.
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    About making a tank from scratch.... mate you are not doing a cheeseburger. It's not easy to do like you say. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's hard.

    I will like to talk with you in these matters if you like to.
     
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  13. Rakan.SA

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    any information would be appreciated.. im not an expert on tanks. but i know for todays world they have to redefine the job and mission and capabilities of a tank.
     
  14. Sinan out

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    I'm not an expert too... but i know a few things. I will share them with you when i got home.
     
  15. salarsikander

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    Hi,

    sir can you please stp saying it, every time you mention it i go :lol:

    Hi,

    sorry to butt in but i too can share some nice articles of tank formation and stuff