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General Petraeus Rejects Trump's Charges of "Lies and Deceit" Against Pakistan

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    http://www.riazhaq.com/2018/01/general-petraeus-rejects-trumps-charges.html

    General David Petraeus, former CIA director and commander and US Forces in Afghanistan, has rejected President Donald Trump's charges of "lies and deceit"against Pakistan. He did so back in late 2016. Here's a brief excerpt of what he said:

    "I looked very very hard then (as US commander in Afghanistan) and again as CIA director at the nature of the relationship between the various (militant) groups in FATA and Baluchistan and the Pakistan Army and the ISI and I was never convinced of what certain journalists have alleged (about ISI support of militant groups in FATA).... I have talked to them (journalists) asked them what their sources are and I have not been able to come to grips with that based on what I know from these different positions (as US commander and CIA director)".

    Here's a short video clip of it:







    Here's a longer blog post I wrote about it back in November, 2016 after Petraeus spoke at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London:


    General David Petraeus, former CIA director and commander of US troops in Afghanistan, has said there is no evidence of Pakistan playing a double game and supporting terrorists in Afghanistan. Petraeus' remarks are now particularly significant given the fact that he is on a short list of President-Elect Donald Trump's nominees for Secretary of State. He was answering a question posed to him at a presentation at Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), a British security think tank based in London.

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    Is Pakistan Duplicitous?

    The question was asked by a female Afghan Ph.D. student at the end of remarks by the general on "Security Challenges Facing the Next US Administration". Here's the question:

    "General you have stated that democracies can not win long wars (General Petraeus interrupted and said he did not say that and added "in fact I take issue with that" as the student continued). Afghanistan is now US's longest war. What stops the US to win the long war..whether Pakistan intelligence is the cause of the long war? Why does the US not take action against the Pakistan ISI which continues killing and supporting terrorists?"

    General David H. Petraeus's response:

    Here's part of Gen Petraeus' response: "I looked very very hard then (as US commander in Afghanistan) and again as CIA director at the nature of the relationship between the various (militant) groups in FATA and Baluchistan and the Pakistan Army and the ISI and I was never convinced of what certain journalists have alleged (about ISI support of militant groups in FATA).... I have talked to them (journalists) asked them what their sources are and I have not been able to come to grips with that based on what I know from these different positions (as US commander and CIA director)".

    Gen Petraeus did acknowledge that "there's communication between the ISI and various militant groups in FATA and Balochistan (Haqqanis, Taliban, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, etc) but some of it you'd do anyway as an intelligence service." He added that "there may be some degree of accommodation that is forced on them (Pakistanis) because of the limits of their (Pakistan's) forces."

    US-Pakistan Ties:

    On the question of the nature of US-Pakistan relations and Washington's influence in Islamabad, General Petraeus said:

    "Some people say Pakistan is a frenemy...it is just very very difficult to pin down (blame on Pakistan) and it's even more difficult to figure out how to exert leverage that in a meaningful way resolves the issue. There was a period when we cut off all assistance and ties (to Pakistan) and held up F-16s that we were supposed to deliver for a while and that did not help our influence there (in Pakistan). It's a very very tough situation and it may be among the top two or three challenges for the new administration right up there with Syria".

    General Petraeus acknowledged Pakistan's cooperation and sacrifices in fighting terror in the following words:

    “Pakistan Army suffered casualties and had limited Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities though the US did try to help and there existed enormous amount of cooperation between the two militaries. However, the unfortunate episodes of Raymond Davis and publications of book by Bob Woodward and WikiLeaks did impact negatively on this cooperation”.

    Summary:

    General David H. Petraeus has thoroughly debunked intense and ongoing media propaganda campaign of allegations of duplicity against Pakistan Army and ISI. He has also ruled out cutting ties with Pakistan as an option. His recommendations have now assumed added significance because he is now on a short list of President-Elect Trump's nominees for secretary of state.

    Here's the video of General Petraeus at RUSI. His remarks on Pakistan are in the last 8 minutes of the video:

    Brief 1-minute clip:






    CompleteVideo of Presentation by Gen Petraeus:






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    There is a reason why Petraeus was kicked out of power once he came back to USA

    Replace the person with field experience with , pupets which are supported by newspapers and special group
     
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    trump is a headless chicken man no one take him serious not even Americans
     
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    Patraeus got kicked out because he exercised poor judgement. He was having an affair with a journalist who was interviewing him. Which was a shame because he was such a capable person. Could've been Secretary of State of even Defense.
     
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    Wow... People are so much gutted and wants to prove that pakistan is innocent while posting old videos
     
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    Trump is exasperating even for his own people, including Tillerson and Mattis, who have deal with his BS. Trump doesn't realize -- or doesn't care -- that he's painting US in a corner in his hectoring of Pakistan. He's pushing Pakistan to take more strident steps because Trump is giving them no room to maneuver.

    Trump should ask himself what will US do if Pakistan cuts off the supply routes, both air and land? Declare war? I think most people who voted for him regret voting for him.
     
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    no sir
    sorry to disagree, he is commander in chief of world's most powerful military in the history of mankind.
    no matter how much a dick and a pillock he is. he has the authority to instruct his commanders to attack any country he wishes
    and do note that this baboon has very thin skin, is childish and acts like a sour looser. the Young Terks run regular video commentaries on him and that will tell you how dangerous and unstable this guy is for all the people of the planet.
    he is encouraged by the neocons and other warmongers within the administration, senate and congress to make outrageous statements and take outrageous actions
    he was almost facing impeachment and first he threw the Jerusalem controversy to appease the Zionist lobby and then he started lashing out at Pakistan and the attention has moved out from him to middle east and south east asia
     
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    Wonder where you get these inputs from ?

    A headless chicken who is the C in C of the most powerful nation can do more harm than one with a head simply because he has no head to use or lose.

    Note how the smallest of utterances from the head less chicken in Pyongyang makes the world flutter ?
     
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    Trump is brainless scum
     
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    its a pakistani forum you absolute moron, what were you expecting

    Donkey of the day !
     
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    Expected, you say true then finally people end up with great word
     
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    you sanghis are so obsessed with Pakistan its hilarious.

    Go rape some more women like you lot usually do.
     
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    Yes, please. Any more comments?
     
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    Trump has more fans in India then USA :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
     
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    No matter what you do Mr Trump, our stance on Al-Aqsa will not change. They are trying to break our ex-muslim-Vatican, and we will never ever allow this.