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Gen. Raheel not received any job offer from Saudi Arabia: Sartaj Aziz

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  1. Mangus Ortus Novem

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    Build your economy, build your society, build your State. Beggars bowl gets smashed forever.

    Act of out Strength...not out of articificial poverty.

    Reclaim your Ancient Civilisational Heritage and Transform your State into modernity...brining the Ancient and the Modern together....

    Until then it is going to be a Vessel without Soul....vulnerable to influnce and manipulation from outside...

    Ever wondered...why more than 70k of your kind and childeren died..murdered by the agents of Sick Hate?

    The biggest tragedy I find...is when a Great Civlisational State...chooses to become Nothing...but a beggar...

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    Media didnt break any News Its Stupid Govt Officials giving Bullshit around here and there on Media talk Shows
     
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    I entirely agree. I was only rationalizing why I did not think Gen. Raheel Sharif would be appointed by KSA. And you are entirely right. All said and done Pak has to look after it's interests and build itself up.

    I was entirely circumspect about this news but only began to think maybe I am wrong when Guardian in UK carried a piece. I guess their sources were Pak media and the 'say anything' defence minister of Pakistan. I noticed no KSA source had said anything. Not even mere mention of the notion.
     
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    I think news of Generals appointment is intentionally crafted and leaked to assess the public response. Now he is just backtracking. This trend should not be encouraged by the government.
     
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    As per Gen Amjad shoaib..who is in contact with Gen Raheel .sharif...tht as of yet...no formal proposal/offer has come from KSA... Such offer will most probably come in end of March or start of April... gen Raheel Sharif has had some informal discussion with Saudis on his umrah trip, and told his condition...and Saudis will come in March with a formal proposal...they will tell, the structure, how will it work...Gen Amjad Shoaib says..as per his understanding...this force will have a defense council..which will include defense ministers of all member countries and they will decide...where this coalition force has to go.. No decision will be taken by saudis themselves alone..... It will be a mutual decision of all defense ministers.. And this alliance will also have contact with muslim countries, who will not be part of this alliance... Plus.. A framework will be decided, how will this alliance contact with other inetrnational forums, like UN, or OIC.. Gen Amjad Shoaib said, as per his understanding..this alliance will be an OIC like organistaion... Its structure, SOPs for choosing future chiefs also, (tht is if Gen Raheel Sharif accepts, he ofcourse will have a fixed tenure) has to be decided....so Amjad Shoaib said... All this will be formalised and documented till March and then will be forwarded to Gov of Pak, which if accepts it..then will forward it to Gen Raheel Sharif.. And then process of NOC and clearance will start.... So yes, as of now..the status is tht no formal invitation / written offer has come yet... It will come in end March or start of April

    @Kaptaan
     
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    If this alliance doesnt include Iran all hell will break loose.We should stay away from any alliance thats led by choudry kings of arabia!
     
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    Aren't we giving way too much credit to Pakistan? Besides it's not just the military strength which creates an impact, it's the political and diplomatic maneuvering which augments the power projection of a state and an alliance alike..........And sadly non of the GCC states including Pakistan are in a position to pull off anything by employing an apt mix of the three forementioned strengths.
     
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    This whole episode exposed a lot of things.
     
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    NOT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...... In fact I will be bold as to say that the vast majority of Pakistanis are OVERLY critical of Pakistan and don't give it even 1% of the credit it deserves. Us Pakistanis are very OVERLY analytical of ourselves. We ALWAYS focus on the bad and never the good. We are addicted to badmouthing our nation at every given opportunity and NEVER promote it.

    But the truth is that Pakistan is a VERY powerful and advanced nation. WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL Muslim nation on earth by a long shot. There is no comparison there whatsoever. Pakistan's power is rising even compared to other non-Muslim nations. Whenever our enemies ridicule us, we prove the EXACT opposite. Pakistan no longer needs help, assistance and support from the other Muslim or Middle Eastern nations. We have far surpassed them in power, advanced sciences, technologies, indigenous advanced weapons production capabilites and that gap is only widening. Gone are the days when we needed Saudi or any other GCC nations help or support. ONLY China and Turkey matter to Pakistan. EVERY OTHER nation on Earth is meaningless and irrelevant to Pakistan.

    Truth is that if Pakistan had a sincere, nationalist and honest leadership, we COULD potentially become a superpower. Military & Economic.

    Pakistan Federation Zindabaad! :pakistan:


    PS: Pakistan has greatly OUTGROWN the Islamic/Muslim world. We need to start to assert ourselves in the world more and be more confident in our achievements. We need MORE confidence in our race, culture, heritage and our unique way of life. I'm sick, tired and thoroughly fed up of Pakistani humbleness, kindness and passivity. We ARE NOW on a road whereby we can potentially become a superpower and we need to go full steam ahead in that pursuit. Not including China and Turkey, the rest of the world can go f**k themselves. They are meaningless to us. They couldn't help or save the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians & Libyans and they certainly can't ever do anything that is useful or beneficial to Pakistan. So F**K em.
     
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  10. PaklovesTurkiye

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    Iranians will be asked, if they continue to babble about idiotic stuff like wahabi this wahabi that, they will be left because this alliance is not for cry babies...

    Hell will be loose on Tehran not anywhere else.

    We cannot stay away from 39 Muslim countries...Thats all I know...
     
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    There's no kudos in being the leader of a military force that encompasses Saudi Arabia and the GCC nations. Even their best elite commandos would get thrashed by the barbers and tea sellers from Sialkot or my father's village in rural Punjab.........:lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Without Iran what is the alliance for? Fighting for Israel or USA?

    And don't forget Putin's Russia is with Iran, make no mistake about that. Why not see in Syria who is with who.

    This is attitude Pakistani's need. Pakistan first and eff the rest !


    And a healthy dose of disgust for the Ganga Swamp :enjoy:
     
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  13. PaklovesTurkiye

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    Putin's Russia is with Pakistan also regarding Afghanistan and etc...Just because Russians are with Iranians, Tehran doesn't get a right to destabilize Middle East...If Iran has Russia then we have China :)

    Alliance is good step, If Iranians don't come and join, everyone will move on....Things are far more important here than Persian ego...
     
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    IRAN or No IRAN we should go if it is beneficial for paksitan..What matter is pakistan interest should prevail
     
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    It's NOT beneficial to Pakistan in ANY WAY. We have FAR outgrown the Muslim/Islamic world and become too powerful. We no longer need them or their support. Thinking Saudi/ GCC money/support can somehow help or save Pakistan is so 2000s, completely false and retarded. Us Pakistanis only need ourselves and our focus to solve ALL our problems. History has shown this to be true.

    The only thing that can REALLY help Pakistan is extreme patriotism/nationalism.
     
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