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It has nothing to do with Army or establishment tough it is their lust to control this autonomous body as during Musharraf rule it was under the National Command Authority, but in 2010 it made an autonomous body again under direct control of PM, the current Chairman PAEC was Mr. Muhammad Naeem was also appointed by Nawaz Sharif in 2014 who is doing an excellent job he is also current chairman of the Board of Governors of PIEAS an institute for atomic energy, which provides man-force to PAEC, incidentally that institute was also established by Nawaz Sharif in 1997. No army man is in the ranks of PAEC or PIEAS.

Corporate management of the PAEC

Individual figures and authorityOfficial designationTerm mandate
Muhammad NaeemChairman, Pakistan Atomic Energy CommissionChairman
Dr. Ghani AkramMember, PAECMember (Technical)
Dr Adnan AqueelMember, PAECMember (Medical)
Dr. Muhammad SarwarMember, PAECMember (Fuel Cycle)
Mr. Saeed Ur RehmanMember, PAECMember (Power)
Dr. Raja Ali Raza AnwerMember, PAECMember (System)
Mr. Mansoor Ali SheikhFinance Secretary, Ministry of Finance (Pakistan)Member (Finance)
Dr. Muhammad Masood ul HasanMember, PAECMember (Science)
Mr. Syed ZiauddinMember, PAECMember (Engineering)
Engr Munawar Ahmad SolehriaMember, PAECMember (Administration)
Dr. Qamar MehboobMember, PAECMember (Material)


Have you seen any military man in the picture??
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Pic source PAEC: On 26 November 2013, Prime Minister Mr. Muhammad Nawaz Sharif performed ground breaking of a new power program at Karachi near KANUPP. The project, when completed, will provide more than 2000 MW electricity to the grid.


It is financial close which matter for any project, providing/arranging funds for four nuclear power plants is not a smaller feat. Some people mix up Unit-3 and Unit-4 of C-1 which were started during PPP time and completed in November 2013.
NAB chairman was also appointed by NS. So why dont you own NAB ?

This is highest level of hypocricy.
 

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Honourable Haider,

I admit to having only a broad-based knowledge of Hydrogen fuel technology, but despite having an informal discussion with the Hydrogen car enthusiasts at Swindon where the first hydrogen filling station was opened; I fail to see the use of Hydrogen fuel cell beyond the automobile sector. This is because to the best of my info, Hydrogen Fuel Cell is basically the device where Hydrogen and Oxygen are combined to generate electricity, heat, and water. However, the problem of procuring cheap Hydrogen to power the fuel cell remains.

Once you solve the problem of producing sufficient Hydrogen cheaply without the use of fossil fuel (such as Steam Reforming of natural gas commonly used at the petroleum refineries); you can eliminate the emission of greenhouse gasses by replacing fossil fuel with hydrogen in the existing power plants.

European Commission Vice President Franz Zimmerman, who is also the EU’s Climate Commissioner, stated in early July 2020 that European Union has launched a massive green Hydrogen push to decarbonize industry and aviation with the aim to reduce about 560- million tons of CO2 emissions per year by 2050.

https://www.fch.europa.eu/sites/default/files/Hydrogen Roadmap Europe_Report.pdf

The “Green Hydrogen “produced through electrolysis of water powered by renewable energy would be transported in compressed form and used as a fuel for the power plants. This would also eliminate the cost of storing renewable electricity thus produced in costly batteries when wind & sunshine available for use when it is not. However, to date hydrogen produced this way remains more expensive than the conventional variety made from fossil fuels. Hence, private companies have no incentives to produce it in large amounts.

Because of the worries about climate change, Green Hydrogen is viewed by many as the key to reaching “net-zero” emission targets. Currently, massive funds are being allocated in Europe and in China towards the technology for lowering the cost of solar & wind-generated power and so that cheap Green Hydrogen can be made available for the conventional Power plants.
 
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Fuel loading starts for nuclear power plant testing
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Pakistan on Tuesday started loading fuel to the 1,100MW nuclear power plant in Karachi for testing in run-up to its commercial operations in April 2021. — Reuters/File

Pakistan on Tuesday started loading fuel to the 1,100MW nuclear power plant in Karachi for testing in run-up to its commercial operations in April 2021. — Reuters/File



ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday started loading fuel to the 1,100MW nuclear power plant in Karachi for testing in run-up to its commercial operations in April 2021 while the Azad Jammu and Kashmir government signed agreements with a Chinese company for construction of a 700MW hydropower project.
A spokesperson for the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) said fuel loading for the newly built Karachi Nuclear Power Plant Unit-2 (K-2) was started on Tuesday after obtaining fuel load permit from the Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority.
K-2 is a pressurised water reactor based on the Chinese HPR-1000 technology and a third generation plant equipped with advanced safety features, according to the spokesperson. The construction of K-2 plant started on Aug 31, 2015 and its commercial operation will begin in April 2021 after undergoing several operational and safety tests.

K-2 is one of the two 1,100MW nuclear power plants being constructed at Karachi. The other plant, K-3, is expected to become operational by the end of 2021. The completion of these nuclear power plants has remained largely on schedule despite the difficult times due to Covid-19 pandemic. The fuel loading was witnessed by Director General of the Strategic Plan Division Lt Gen Nadeem Zaki Manj, PAEC Chairman Mohammad Naeem and senior Chinese and Pakistani officials.
Separately, the AJK government and Chinese firm China Gezhouba Group and its local partner Laraib Group signed implementation agreement and water use charges agreement for construction of Azad Pattan Hydropower Project as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).
With an investment of over $1.35 billion, the 700.7MW project would involve no fuel import and enable the country to move towards cheaper and greener power generation, said AJK Prime Minister Raja Farooq Haider Khan on the occasion.
Federal Minister for Power Omer Ayub Khan, Minister for Planning Asad Umar, Chairman of defunct-CPEC Authority retd Lt Gen Asim Saleem Bajwa, AJK Chief Secretary Dr Shahzad Khan Bangash and Managing Director of Private Power and Infrastructure Board (PPIB) Shah Jahan Mirza attended the agreement signing ceremony.
The project agreements — GoAJ&K Implementation Agreement and GoAJ&K Water Use Agreement — were signed by Zafar Mahmood Khan, electricity secretary of AJK, and Li Xiaotao, CEO of Azad Pattan Power Private Limited.
The Government of Pakistan Implementation Agreement, Government of Punjab Water Use Agreement and Tripartite Power Purchase Agreements of the project had already been signed in the presence of Prime Minister Imran Khan in July this year. Tuesday’s agreement signing will enable the achievement of financial close of the project.
The letter of support (LOS) for the project was issued by the PPIB to Azad Pattan Power Project Limited. It is a run-off-the river scheme on River Jhelum located at the dual boundary between AJK (Bagh district) and Punjab (Rawalpindi district).
China Gezhouba Group and Laraib Group Pakistan are the shareholders of the project. The consortium of lenders consists of China Development Bank, China Construction Bank, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China and Bank of China.
Azad Pattan Project is being implemented by the PPIB under the Policy for Power Generation Projects 2002 on built, own, operate and transfer basis for a term of 30 years after which it will be transferred to the AJK government free of cost. The project is expected to provide about 3,266 GWh electricity per year to the national grid by 2027.
The project would a play crucial role in stimulating local economy by providing employment and business opportunities during its construction periods, said the ministry of power. The governments of AJK and Punjab would earn significant amount of revenue on account of taxes, fees, etc.
Published in Dawn, December 2nd, 2020
What's our current MWs requirement?
What is anticipited MWs requirement in 5 years?
 

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Honorable Accountant.

I am primarily an Oil & Gas person but since I am also interested in “Energy” in general, I know how to get at the latest information about the Economics of Nuclear Power.

The “Fuel cost” only of nuclear energy is normally less than 0.50 cent (75 paisa) per unit but capital outlay and other costs are very high. To get a true comparison; power engineers have developed the concept of ‘Levelized cost of energy" (LCOE) which is the average total cost of building & operating the plant over its lifetime as per unit of the total electricity production over the plants operating life.

Since all the info is from another source with very little input from me, I am only copying below for what is relevant to your query. The detailed info is available at:


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“Economics of Nuclear Power”
(Updated March 2020)

  • Nuclear power is cost competitive with other forms of electricity generation, except where there is direct access to low-cost fossil fuels.
  • Fuel costs for nuclear plants are a minor proportion of total generating costs, though capital costs are greater than those for coal-fired plants and much greater than those for gas-fired plants.
  • System costs for nuclear power (as well as coal and gas-fired generation) are very much lower than for intermittent renewables.
  • Providing incentives for long-term, high-capital investment in deregulated markets driven by short-term price signals presents a challenge in securing a diversified and reliable electricity supply system.
  • In assessing the economics of nuclear power, decommissioning and waste disposal costs are fully taken into account.
  • Nuclear power plant construction is typical of large infrastructure projects around the world, whose costs and delivery challenges tend to be under-estimated.


The OECD Nuclear Energy Agency’s (NEA's) calculation of the overnight cost for a nuclear power plant built in the OECD rose from about $1900/kWe at the end of the 1990s to $3850/kWe in 2009. In the 2015 report Projected Costs of Generating Electricity, the overnight costs ranged from $2021/kWe in South Korea to $6215/kWe in Hungary. For China, two comparable figures were $1807/kWe and $2615/kWe. LCOE figures at a 3% discount rate range from $29/MWh in Korea to $64/MWh in the UK, at a 7% discount rate from $40/MWh (Korea) to $101/MWh (UK), and at a 10% rate $51/MWh (Korea) to $136/MWh (UK).

* Prices are approximate and as of March 2017.

Comparing the economics of different forms of electricity generation.

In 2017 the US EIA published figures for the average levelised costs per unit of output (LCOE) for generating technologies to be brought online in 2022, as modelled for its Annual Energy Outlook. These show: advanced nuclear, 9.9 c/kWh; natural gas, 5.7-10.9 c/kWh (depending on technology); and coal with 90% carbon sequestration, 12.3 c/kWh (rising to 14 c/kWh at 30%). Among the non-dispatchable technologies, LCOE estimates vary widely: wind onshore, 5.2 c/kWh; solar PV, 6.7 c/kWh; offshore wind, 14.6 c/kWh; and solar thermal, 18.4 c/kWh.
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I hope that is a satisfactory answer to your question.
Can't wait to pay 25 rupees per unit for the electricity that cost 50 paisas per unit to produce.
 

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They (PMLN+PPP) are regularly bashed for appointed Gen. Bajwa & Justice Javed, and rightly so.
What about raheel sharief ? NS wasnt with him either.
What about musharaf?
Why pmn attacked justice sajjad ali shah ?
Why he tried to defame the 5 judges ?
Why he never named kulbushon yadev ?
Why they are in bed with zardari who according to himself looted Pakistan


So bottom line is NS want absolute authority for absolute corruption and he dont tolerate him when anyone try to stop him from corruption.

Atleast have some shame
 

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Shukriyh Nawaz Sharif,

Not only these Karachi Nuclear Power Project Unit-2 (K-2) & Unit-3 (K-3) but Chashma Nuclear Power Plant Unit-3 and Unit-4 (C-3 & C4) were also started and completed during PMLN tenure.
Mian g k name sa pehly atmi sciencedaan zaror likha karo..
 

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That is only the fuel cost, levelised cost comes to about Rs15/- per kWh
The question is, for how long we will be charged 15 rupees per unit? Will it take 5 years for government to completely outrun the project cost? Then what.. will they charge less than 10 rupees per unit from consumers? That's a big question.
 

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Chinese HPR-1000 is a third-generation reactor and hence a modern nuclear power plant. Understand the construction cost of a modern plant is about $2.5-milion per MW. Based on an informed 'Guess' it would have cost upward of $2-biliion.

Nuclear power plants have never been 'Cheap' to build and to operate but the main advantage is that these do not produce greenhouse gasses. Our problem has been compounded by the sharp depreciation in our currency's worth. The same cost in around 2016/2017, when one dollar was worth Rs 100/- would be only $10/- per kWh.

Regrettably, our exports have not kept pace with the rest of our neighbors. For example, Bangla Desh exports during 2019 were close to $38-bilion where Pakistan exports were about $21-billion. It the current account deficit that caused PK Rupee devaluation.

IMHO it is unfair to blame the cost of electricity production. If we want electricity we have to pay for it. Only the improvement in our economy whereby increased spending power of the Joe public which makes high priced electricity affordable will cure the real problem. Unfortunately, thus far we have only seen a serious decline in the spending power of ordinary Pakistanis.
 

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The question is, for how long we will be charged 15 rupees per unit? Will it take 5 years for government to completely outrun the project cost? Then what.. will they charge less than 10 rupees per unit from consumers? That's a big question.
no its not
levelized means the cost for whole life of project
for nuclear its around 5 cents..which is 7.5 rs, then we have to add sales tax and distribution costs

for example in USA you buy power from which ever utility you want at 6-7 cents BUT you also pay almost same amount in distribution
electricity viable to industry is 7.5 cents..we need to achieve that

the sources that can give you 7.5 cents are either nuclear, hydro, solar or local coal(We dont have gas)

so whole push should be hydro-solar-nuclear..as these three can work in sync
 

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NAB chairman was also appointed by NS. So why dont you own NAB ?

This is highest level of hypocricy.
Because they are hypocrites
They (PMLN+PPP) are regularly bashed for appointed Gen. Bajwa & Justice Javed, and rightly so.
Rightly so? So if General Bajwa and Justice Javed had given NRO to opposition, then they would have been a great choice?
So bottom line is NS want absolute authority for absolute corruption and he dont tolerate him when anyone try to stop him from corruption.
Yes and not for Pmln but Sharif family only. Their role models are Kings and princes of Saudi Arabia with their absolute monarchy authoritarian rule.
 

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Chinese HPR-1000 is a third-generation reactor and hence a modern nuclear power plant. Understand the construction cost of a modern plant is about $2.5-milion per MW. Based on an informed 'Guess' it would have cost upward of $2-biliion.

Nuclear power plants have never been 'Cheap' to build and to operate but the main advantage is that these do not produce greenhouse gasses. Our problem has been compounded by the sharp depreciation in our currency's worth. The same cost in around 2016/2017, when one dollar was worth Rs 100/- would be only $10/- per kWh.

Regrettably, our exports have not kept pace with the rest of our neighbors. For example, Bangla Desh exports during 2019 were close to $38-bilion where Pakistan exports were about $21-billion. It the current account deficit that caused PK Rupee devaluation.

IMHO it is unfair to blame the cost of electricity production. If we want electricity we have to pay for it. Only the improvement in our economy whereby increased spending power of the Joe public which makes high priced electricity affordable will cure the real problem. Unfortunately, thus far we have only seen a serious decline in the spending power of ordinary Pakistanis.
Can pakistan make 1st generation nuclear plant on its own??
 

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Can pakistan make 1st generation nuclear plant on its own??
Technically we have the capability infact we built one 50 years back a small research reactor PARR1 which was first step of our nuclear weapons however it is extremely risky and we lack experience therefore we rely on foreign designs and supervision.
 

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