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According to international defense observers, Pakistan’s defense production from PK-15 assault rifles to Al-Khalid tanks and JF-17 Thunder is rapidly moving towards its self - sufficiency. In a short span of 12 years, the successful journey of JF-17 Thunder Block 3 from the launch of China’s joint warplane manufacturing program to its completion in Pakistan is a surprise to the world and awe to the enemies.

The JF-17 Thunder is talking parrots in combat aerial demonstrations around the world. Demand for Pakistan Thunder aircraft is increasing in developing countries like Malaysia, Burma and Nigeria. While the failed result of India’s 30 years of failed planning, the Tejas aircraft has become a rejected and flop product in the world market.

Today, Pakistan’s Armed Forces manufactures German-born G3 assault rifles and PK-15 assault rifles designed by Pakistani engineers, from automatic class light machine guns and heavy machine guns, manufactured in Pakistan’s Wah Ordnance Factory and armored in the international market. Exporting for use of forces.

India’s own journalists Rahul Bedi and Ghazala Wahab write that India made an Insas rifle after 20 years of operation but it totally flopped. The Indian Army rejected it with several complaints. The rifle was purchased by Nepal and returned with the Not Wanted medal. Then, nine years later, in 2019, Narendra Modi inaugurated a new Assault Rifle Factory in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh with a Russian partnership. But the factory has been shut down because the agreement with Russia has not been completed yet.

In 2009, the South American country of Ecuador purchased eight Indian-made Dhruv helicopters. But unluckily, four of those dysfunctional helicopters manufactured by the self crash master India crashed. For the remaining four contract was canceled and sent back to India.

Pakistan is building not only JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter jets but also successful fighter training aircraft such as Super Mashaq and Karakoram 8 and selling them to Turkey, Egypt, Malaysia, Burma, Zimbabwe, Nigeria and other developing countries. Thanks to the profits made, the developing sector of Pakistani aircraft manufacturing is now entering the fifth generation stealth technology era with the new aircraft manufacturing program ” Project Azm “.

The world is amazed by the successful production of unmanned drone drones like Barak, Selex’s Falco, GIDS Shahpar and Jasoos drones made in Nescom Pakistan

Pakistan has turned the tide of the Indian Armed Forces’ long-held supremacy in desert and swampy sectors like Rajasthan by building state-of-the-art main battle tanks such as Al Khalid and Al Zarrar to suit its needs. Now not only the main battle tank but also the successful production of modern armored vehicles like Talha, Skab and Al Qaswa is going on in Pakistan. The nation is proud that we are now manufacturing anti-tank guided rocket launcher systems like Armor, Lightweight Anti-aircraft and Air to Ground Weapons like Barq and Anza in Pakistan itself. On the other side of the border, the Indian-built Arjun Tank itself faces strong criticism from Indian defense observers and overweight and other technical complaints from the military.

After the purchase one of the world’s most expensive Rafale jet from France, the Indian media and defense agencies act as if India has conquered the whole of Ladakh by defeating China.

It is a different matter that the Narendra Modi government is facing serious allegations of commission corruption in connection with the purchase of a 4.5 Generation Rafale aircraft, almost five times more expensive than the US F-16E and ten times more expensive than the JF-17 Thunder . The fact is that the Raphael planes will still need a year to adjust to the Indian Air Force system. And it is noteworthy that India will forever need France for the maintenance, overhauling, repair or upgrading of the Rafale aircraft.

The real difference between the Pakistani and Indian air forces is not the aircraft but the pilot. One difference between Made in owner of France Rafale and proud Made in Pakistan JF-17 is that they give an award to Abhinandan who lost the plane and praised the cup of tea from shooters. And we give medals of bravery to those Wing Commander Hassan Siddiqui and Wing Commander Noman Ali Khan who shot down the enemy plane.

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Keep the good work going.
But still we need to come up with some equivalent fighter to tackle Rafael fighter.
All our expectations are from JF-Block-3 which still due to roll out.
 
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Keep the good work going.
But still we need to come up with some equivalent fighter to tackle Rafael fighter.
All our expectations are from JF-Block-3 which still due to roll out.
brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
 

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brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
Instead of thinking like an Indian, you should analyze reports from various sources and then write anything here. Tejas Couldn't meet Indian army's requirement yet. Even Indian army demanded modification and changes. Upgraded version of teja is yet to arrive.
JF-17 Block 3 is not equivalent to Rafale, but its not as bad as Tejas. period!
 

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brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
Don't you think AESA radar PL 15 HMD with PL 10E better EW equipment than block 2 along with data links poses a threat to even Rafael? No system is invincible we learnt that on 27th feb su 30mki couldn't fire a thing....
 

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brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
My dear! By any virtue, there is no comparison of JF-17 thunder and Tejas . Indian Tejas is a total failure and has been badly rejected in the entire global market. Even the Indian Air Force itself is not accepting Tejas with a good heart and trust in it. Meanwhile, the demand for JF-17 is increasing in the global defense market.

I'm not saying that JF Thunder is on par with ten times costly Rafale. But I must say that JF-17 is our self made fighter jet. We are free and able to upgrade and modernize it asper our requirements. World will see the supremacy of JF-17's Block-3 and then 4 , 5 , 6 . . . .

Anyway, the real competition is between the fighter pilots of India and Pakistan. And the world is well aware of the excellent professionalism and magical competence of Pakistan's fighter pilots.
 
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Don't you think AESA radar PL 15 HMD with PL 10E better EW equipment than block 2 along with data links poses a threat to even Rafael? No system is invincible we learnt that on 27th feb su 30mki couldn't fire a thing....
Brother no doubt JF-17 Block-3 is a 4.5 gen aircraft but Rafale’s spectra is unbeatable. obviously Block-3 is better than Block-2.

Pls don’t bring 27th February in discussions, bring events in which all things are proven to have happened.

Su-30 MKI was not engaged in the dogfight, so that’s why it never fired anything, the MiGs were sent to intercept As PAF jets didn’t come deep inside they mostly remained inside Pak administered kashmir.

HMD is deadly for Close range dogfights and useless for BVR dogfight.

Rafale is better than Block-3 in all terms plus Pakistan doesn’t have PL-15 nor any contract or deal is signed for any, when it will have then say PL-15 in JF-15 but right now the Meteor missiles in our Rafales are ready.
My dear! By any virtue, there is no comparison of JF-17 thunder and Tejas . Indian Tejas is a total failure and has been badly rejected in the entire global market. Even the Indian Air Force itself is not accepting Tejas with a good heart and trust in it. Meanwhile, the demand for JF-17 is increasing in the global defense market.

I'm not saying that JF Thunder is on par with ten times costly Rafale. But I must say that JF-17 is our self made fighter jet. We are free and able to upgrade and modernize it asper our requirements. World will see the supremacy of JF-17's Block-3 and then 4 , 5 , 6 . . . .

Anyway, the real competition is between the fighter pilots of India and Pakistan. And the world is well aware of the excellent professionalism and magical competence of Pakistan's fighter pilots.
Tejas MK1 - 40 units ordered
Tejas MK2 - 83 units deal to be signed in December
Tejas SPORT - 100 to be bought
Tejas MWF - 200 Units committed by IAF
Tejas ORCA - Under development.

just because Navy rejected it as their requirement was for a twin engine medium weight fighter doesn’t mean its a failure, because of that HAL is making a Tejas variant according to Navy’s requirements called TEDBF, Naval LCA is more of a Tech demonstrator.

Sir JF-17 is not a home made fighter, its a chinese aircraft manufactured by pakistan, in China it is called FC-1 Xiolong.

There was a time when IAF didn’t like it in 2012-13 but they have achieved FOC with Final upgrades and changes and fit in its requirements, its not that IAF forcefully flies it, US Airforce chief called it a wonderful aircraft, Russian pilots called it excellent and wanted it to dogfight with the Russian Flankers, French Airforce chief called it a great aircraft.

plus Tejas is better than JF-17, wikipedia comparison wise and internals equipment wise also.

if you genuinely compare then you’ll get your answer Sir.
Instead of thinking like an Indian, you should analyze reports from various sources and then write anything here. Tejas Couldn't meet Indian army's requirement yet. Even Indian army demanded modification and changes. Upgraded version of teja is yet to arrive.
JF-17 Block 3 is not equivalent to Rafale, but its not as bad as Tejas. period!
For how long you’ll keep on spamming the same thing, TeJaS ReJeCtEd bY IaF.
By the same logic why did you make Block-2 and 3? Does that mean Block-1 does not fill Airforce’s requirements and you forcefully inducted it?
and what’s wrong in demanding modification and changes, I mean are you serious?

you obviously modify and upgrade aircraft to meet requirements and then operationalise it, what’s the big deal or so surprising?

Block-3 is better than Tejas MK1 but will lose its edge to Tejas MK1A in terms of generation.

Tejas MK1 is comparable to JF-17 Block-2 And is better than the Block-2 if you check the internals.

All aircrafts don’t necessarily are 100% indigenous and initial versions have many foreign equipment and then indigenous content is increased over time with new models but 3 blocks of thunders passed, I never saw a single pakistani component in the thunders. Bro then how is it a pakistani jet? You’ll need china’s permission to do changes on it as it is made under a joint venture.
 
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brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
Our dillema of, "whatever west makes is good" will never end. Rafale is great but jf 17 can poses threat. Block 3 is not a joke if it has AESA, PL15 in future and Better EW suites than expect resistance from JF 17 against rafale. Jf 17 is not a sitting duck. People here try to ignore the fact that 27th Feb is real time scenario example. I have faith in jf 17 that it may not be rafale equivalent but it can surely take out rafale if properly utilize.
 

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Brother no doubt JF-17 Block-3 is a 4.5 gen aircraft but Rafale’s spectra is unbeatable. obviously Block-3 is better than Block-2.

Pls don’t bring 27th February in discussions, bring events in which all things are proven to have happened.

Su-30 MKI was not engaged in the dogfight, so that’s why it never fired anything, the MiGs were sent to intercept As PAF jets didn’t come deep inside they mostly remained inside Pak administered kashmir.

HMD is deadly for Close range dogfights and useless for BVR dogfight.

Rafale is better than Block-3 in all terms plus Pakistan doesn’t have PL-15 nor any contract or deal is signed for any, when it will have then say PL-15 in JF-15 but right now the Meteor missiles in our Rafales are ready.

Tejas MK1 - 40 units ordered
Tejas MK2 - 83 units deal to be signed in December
Tejas SPORT - 100 to be bought
Tejas MWF - 200 Units committed by IAF
Tejas ORCA - Under development.

just because Navy rejected it as their requirement was for a twin engine medium weight fighter doesn’t mean its a failure, because of that HAL is making a Tejas variant according to Navy’s requirements called TEDBF, Naval LCA is more of a Tech demonstrator.

Sir JF-17 is not a home made fighter, its a chinese aircraft manufactured by pakistan, in China it is called FC-1 Xiolong.

There was a time when IAF didn’t like it in 2012-13 but they have achieved FOC with Final upgrades and changes and fit in its requirements, its not that IAF forcefully flies it, US Airforce chief called it a wonderful aircraft, Russian pilots called it excellent and wanted it to dogfight with the Russian Flankers, French Airforce chief called it a great aircraft.

plus Tejas is better than JF-17, wikipedia comparison wise and internals equipment wise also.

if you genuinely compare then you’ll get your answer Sir.

For how long you’ll keep on spamming the same thing, TeJaS ReJeCtEd bY IaF.
By the same logic why did you make Block-2 and 3? Does that mean Block-1 does not fill Airforce’s requirements and you forcefully inducted it?
and what’s wrong in demanding modification and changes, I mean are you serious?

you obviously modify and upgrade aircraft to meet requirements and then operationalise it, what’s the big deal or so surprising?

Block-3 is better than Tejas MK1 but will lose its edge to Tejas MK1A in terms of generation.

Tejas MK1 is comparable to JF-17 Block-2 And is better than the Block-2 if you check the internals.

All aircrafts don’t necessarily are 100% indigenous and initial versions have many foreign equipment and then indigenous content is increased over time with new models but 3 blocks of thunders passed, I never saw a single pakistani component in the thunders. Bro then how is it a pakistani jet? You’ll need china’s permission to do changes on it as it is made under a joint venture.
My dear you are actually a blind follower of those Indian defense experts who define and appraise India's flop weapons asper their masters instructions. While the facts are the opposite of the lies of Indian observers ... Just remind you that flopped Indian Tejas is a multicolor mixture of 7 countries parts . . . . Just see the fooling end of Indian made Insas assault rifle....

Remember the horrible end of a foreign buyers of Indian weapons ....
In 2009, the South American country of Ecuador purchased eight Indian-made Dhruv helicopters. But unluckily, four of those dysfunctional helicopters manufactured by the self crash master India crashed. For the remaining four contract was canceled and sent back to India...
 
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Our dillema of, "whatever west makes is good" will never end. Rafale is great but jf 17 can poses threat. Block 3 is not a joke if it has AESA, PL15 in future and Better EW suites than expect resistance from JF 17 against rafale. Jf 17 is not a sitting duck. People here try to ignore the fact that 27th Feb is real time scenario example. I have faith in jf 17 that it may not be rafale equivalent but it can surely take out rafale if properly utilize.
Even Tejas MK1A will feature an AESA radar and other equipment, Tejas MK1A will be better than JF-17 Block-3.

PL-15 is not given to PAF yet, but our own SFDR BVR missile will have a 400km range thanks to its Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet technology (SFDR).

Plus we have meteor

Our Tejas has critical tech like OBOGS made in India which currently all chinese aircrafts lack except the original Russian ones.
F-16 have OBOGS but rest of PAF fleet doesn’t have OBOGS whereas only MiG-21 in IAF doesn’t have OBOGS and MiG-29 got one after UPG upgrade.

Rafale’s Spectra EW suite is unmatchable brother.
 

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My dear! By any virtue, there is no comparison of JF-17 thunder and Tejas . Indian Tejas is a total failure and has been badly rejected in the entire global market. Even the Indian Air Force itself is not accepting Tejas with a good heart and trust in it. Meanwhile, the demand for JF-17 is increasing in the global defense market.

I'm not saying that JF Thunder is on par with ten times costly Rafale. But I must say that JF-17 is our self made fighter jet. We are free and able to upgrade and modernize it asper our requirements. World will see the supremacy of JF-17's Block-3 and then 4 , 5 , 6 . . . .

Anyway, the real competition is between the fighter pilots of India and Pakistan. And the world is well aware of the excellent professionalism and magical competence of Pakistan's fighter pilots.
Indian pilots are just fine. please don't claim something which is untrue and in air war things can change very quickly and we will have to take our bragging back,
PAF just executed its operation successfully and better than the IAF in recent and long past conflicts.

also, if the subject matter is celebrating Pakistani achievement in development of defense related products then this can be done purely on its own merit and with Western quality as a benchmark. and there is no need to ridicule the Indian defense industry.
 

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Even Tejas MK1A will feature an AESA radar and other equipment, Tejas MK1A will be better than JF-17 Block-3.

PL-15 is not given to PAF yet, but our own SFDR BVR missile will have a 400km range thanks to its Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet technology (SFDR).

Plus we have meteor

Our Tejas has critical tech like OBOGS made in India which currently all chinese aircrafts lack except the original Russian ones.
F-16 have OBOGS but rest of PAF fleet doesn’t have OBOGS whereas only MiG-21 in IAF doesn’t have OBOGS and MiG-29 got one after UPG upgrade.

Rafale’s Spectra EW suite is unmatchable brother.
Joke of a post. At least do some research first.

Spectra is good but by no means invulnerable. There are better options at PAF's disposal, a glimpse of which you saw on the 27th Feb.

pl-15E is already delivered and tested.

Rest are just your fantasies.
 
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My dear you are actually a blind follower of those Indian defense experts who define and appraise India's flop weapons asper their masters instructions. While the facts are the opposite of the lies of Indian observers ... Just remind you that flopped Indian Tejas is a multicolor mixture of 7 countries parts . . . . Just see the fooling end of Indian made Insas assault rifle....

Remember the horrible end of a foreign buyers of Indian weapons ....
In 2009, the South American country of Ecuador purchased eight Indian-made Dhruv helicopters. But unluckily, four of those dysfunctional helicopters manufactured by the self crash master India crashed. For the remaining four contract was canceled and sent back to India...
You pakistanis have a habit of cherry picking news, Ecuador didn’t sign any logistics and spares agreement so their aircraft kept crashing after a time With many crashing due to pilot errors.

Here look at the other countries flying it Accident free...

Israeli Dhruv 🇮🇱
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Turkish Dhruv 🇹🇷
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Nepali Dhruv 🇳🇵
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Maldivian Dhruv 🇲🇻
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Indian Dhruv🇮🇳 (Army, Navy Airforce, CoastGuard)
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Many countries operate it accident free a few accidents happened in India but thats normal.

you cherry pick Ecuador’s case for propaganda.
Dhruv is the workhorse of all our forces.

INSAS no doubt was a bad gun but doesn’t mean that others are bad as well...

this is the OFB Ghatak made by the same OFB that made INSAS:
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Joke of a post. At least do some research first.

Spectra is good but by no means invulnerable. There are better options at PAF's disposal, a glimpse of which you saw on the 27th Feb.

pl-15E is already delivered and tested.

Rest are just your fantasies.
Jamming a MIG-21’s comms can be an achievement of only PAF.
When did you receive PL-15s, any news source, if yes where is it?
 

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brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.
Teja a failed project no way near to JF17 by the way Rafale is 100% french product
Brother no doubt JF-17 Block-3 is a 4.5 gen aircraft but Rafale’s spectra is unbeatable. obviously Block-3 is better than Block-2.

Pls don’t bring 27th February in discussions, bring events in which all things are proven to have happened.

Su-30 MKI was not engaged in the dogfight, so that’s why it never fired anything, the MiGs were sent to intercept As PAF jets didn’t come deep inside they mostly remained inside Pak administered kashmir.

HMD is deadly for Close range dogfights and useless for BVR dogfight.

Rafale is better than Block-3 in all terms plus Pakistan doesn’t have PL-15 nor any contract or deal is signed for any, when it will have then say PL-15 in JF-15 but right now the Meteor missiles in our Rafales are ready.

Tejas MK1 - 40 units ordered
Tejas MK2 - 83 units deal to be signed in December
Tejas SPORT - 100 to be bought
Tejas MWF - 200 Units committed by IAF
Tejas ORCA - Under development.

just because Navy rejected it as their requirement was for a twin engine medium weight fighter doesn’t mean its a failure, because of that HAL is making a Tejas variant according to Navy’s requirements called TEDBF, Naval LCA is more of a Tech demonstrator.

Sir JF-17 is not a home made fighter, its a chinese aircraft manufactured by pakistan, in China it is called FC-1 Xiolong.

There was a time when IAF didn’t like it in 2012-13 but they have achieved FOC with Final upgrades and changes and fit in its requirements, its not that IAF forcefully flies it, US Airforce chief called it a wonderful aircraft, Russian pilots called it excellent and wanted it to dogfight with the Russian Flankers, French Airforce chief called it a great aircraft.

plus Tejas is better than JF-17, wikipedia comparison wise and internals equipment wise also.

if you genuinely compare then you’ll get your answer Sir.

For how long you’ll keep on spamming the same thing, TeJaS ReJeCtEd bY IaF.
By the same logic why did you make Block-2 and 3? Does that mean Block-1 does not fill Airforce’s requirements and you forcefully inducted it?
and what’s wrong in demanding modification and changes, I mean are you serious?

you obviously modify and upgrade aircraft to meet requirements and then operationalise it, what’s the big deal or so surprising?

Block-3 is better than Tejas MK1 but will lose its edge to Tejas MK1A in terms of generation.

Tejas MK1 is comparable to JF-17 Block-2 And is better than the Block-2 if you check the internals.

All aircrafts don’t necessarily are 100% indigenous and initial versions have many foreign equipment and then indigenous content is increased over time with new models but 3 blocks of thunders passed, I never saw a single pakistani component in the thunders. Bro then how is it a pakistani jet? You’ll need china’s permission to do changes on it as it is made under a joint venture.
you are ignorant of Teja development what is indian in it
 
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Teja a failed project no way near to JF17 by the way Rafale is 100% french product

you are ignorant of Teja development what is indian in it
Yes you will always say this out of frustration, but the fact of the matter is Tejas is better than JF-17. Just because took time and lesser produced compared to JF-17 doesn’t make it failed.

70% of Tejas is Indian
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