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France’s top court has rejected a bid to pursue rape charges against a group of firefighters accused of repeatedly raping a girl known as “Julie” during a period between her 13th and 15th birthdays.
The men will instead be charged with sexual assault, which carries a lighter sentence than rape. Attorneys for Julie’s family plan to contest that decision and bring the case to Europe’s Court of Human Rights.

The horrific allegations in Julie’s case have galvanized protesters who want to see France institute stricter age-of-consent laws. Julie was 13 when she suffered a seizure in school and was rescued by firefighters. After the incident, she began to have severe anxiety attacks that repeatedly required firefighters to intervene, and developed a trusting relationship with the men, which they allegedly later exploited.




According to Julie’s family and lawyers, the firefighters got the teenager’s phone number and began sending her flirtatious messages. Over a two-year period, she was allegedly raped by 20 men. According to her mother, she made multiple suicide attempts and is now struggling with severe disability.
The Wednesday judgment from France’s high court backs a lower appeals court’s finding that Julie, now 25, “had the necessary discernment” to reject the men’s advances, and argues that investigators failed to establish that all of the men were aware that Julie was a minor.
Three of the firefighters admitted to having sex with Julie but said that they did so consensually. The other 17 men have not been charged.

Under French law, sex with a minor under the age of 15 is considered illegal only if it is not consensual. Given the difficulty of proving that a minor was forcibly or violently coerced, only about 1 percent of such cases result in convictions.



While rape charges would have carried a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, the firefighters will face sentences of no more than seven years if they are convicted of sexual assault.
Protesters who have rallied around Julie’s case argue that it exposes flaws in France’s age of consent law, saying that a child under 15 is not capable of giving consent, if the perpetrator is at least five years older. This week, France’s National Assembly voted to amend the law so that all sexual acts involving people under the age of 15 would be considered rape. The legislation has yet to move through the country’s senate, but President Emmanuel Macron’s government has expressed support for the change.

In a statement Wednesday, Julie’s lawyers pointed out the irony of having the high court decree that a minor under the age of 15 was capable of consent just days after elected officials decided otherwise. They argued that the judges should have taken into account that Julie was especially fragile and in a state of “great psychological distress” and criticized the court for reinforcing an “archaic ideology.”



The recent push to change France’s consent laws came after a prominent political commentator was accused of incest, leading to a flood of women coming forward with their own stories of sexual abuse. The outpouring has been described as a “second #MeToo movement” in France, one primarily focused on child sex abuse and incest rather than workplace harassment.
Julie’s story, which inspired the hashtag #JusticePourJulie, has added to the furor and sparked protests from feminists who see it as indicative of a larger societal failure to hold rapists and abusers accountable. Many had hoped that the case could set a legal precedent, opening the door for more victims to bring forward charges of child rape.
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Well let's take it another way.
Lives are getting shorter and kids are doing sexual things way early than once they were used to.
I remember i developed sexual feelings at the age of 13-14 . Now kids develop these at 8-9 years of age and become sexually active at 13-14. Because of the internet, smartphones and less parental control.
Generation gap is a thing no one can control.
 

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France’s top court has rejected a bid to pursue rape charges against a group of firefighters accused of repeatedly raping a girl known as “Julie” during a period between her 13th and 15th birthdays.
The men will instead be charged with sexual assault, which carries a lighter sentence than rape. Attorneys for Julie’s family plan to contest that decision and bring the case to Europe’s Court of Human Rights.

The horrific allegations in Julie’s case have galvanized protesters who want to see France institute stricter age-of-consent laws. Julie was 13 when she suffered a seizure in school and was rescued by firefighters. After the incident, she began to have severe anxiety attacks that repeatedly required firefighters to intervene, and developed a trusting relationship with the men, which they allegedly later exploited.




According to Julie’s family and lawyers, the firefighters got the teenager’s phone number and began sending her flirtatious messages. Over a two-year period, she was allegedly raped by 20 men. According to her mother, she made multiple suicide attempts and is now struggling with severe disability.
The Wednesday judgment from France’s high court backs a lower appeals court’s finding that Julie, now 25, “had the necessary discernment” to reject the men’s advances, and argues that investigators failed to establish that all of the men were aware that Julie was a minor.
Three of the firefighters admitted to having sex with Julie but said that they did so consensually. The other 17 men have not been charged.

Under French law, sex with a minor under the age of 15 is considered illegal only if it is not consensual. Given the difficulty of proving that a minor was forcibly or violently coerced, only about 1 percent of such cases result in convictions.



While rape charges would have carried a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, the firefighters will face sentences of no more than seven years if they are convicted of sexual assault.
Protesters who have rallied around Julie’s case argue that it exposes flaws in France’s age of consent law, saying that a child under 15 is not capable of giving consent, if the perpetrator is at least five years older. This week, France’s National Assembly voted to amend the law so that all sexual acts involving people under the age of 15 would be considered rape. The legislation has yet to move through the country’s senate, but President Emmanuel Macron’s government has expressed support for the change.

In a statement Wednesday, Julie’s lawyers pointed out the irony of having the high court decree that a minor under the age of 15 was capable of consent just days after elected officials decided otherwise. They argued that the judges should have taken into account that Julie was especially fragile and in a state of “great psychological distress” and criticized the court for reinforcing an “archaic ideology.”



The recent push to change France’s consent laws came after a prominent political commentator was accused of incest, leading to a flood of women coming forward with their own stories of sexual abuse. The outpouring has been described as a “second #MeToo movement” in France, one primarily focused on child sex abuse and incest rather than workplace harassment.
Julie’s story, which inspired the hashtag #JusticePourJulie, has added to the furor and sparked protests from feminists who see it as indicative of a larger societal failure to hold rapists and abusers accountable. Many had hoped that the case could set a legal precedent, opening the door for more victims to bring forward charges of child rape.
This report has been updated.
Means paedophilia is legal in France.
 

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Their Country, their Rules

That young girl should be glad she was born in a free society unlike millions of Muslim women who are shackled in hijabs.
 

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Well let's take it another way.
Lives are getting shorter and kids are doing sexual things way early than once they were used to.
I remember i developed sexual feelings at the age of 13-14 . Now kids develop these at 8-9 years of age and become sexually active at 13-14. Because of the internet, smartphones and less parental control.
Generation gap is a thing no one can control.
True they developing quicker if this was two 13 year olds it would not need charges. But any sexual contact between a thirteen-year-old girl and an adult is rape all day long. But what if it was a 13 year old boy having sex with a adult women is that rape what do people think here for me im not sure about that
 

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DON'T mistake a judge's decision with that being France's law.

I know nuances in either English language or western laws are still new for several people not accustomed to nuances. A judge making a decision on a single case is not France saying sex w/ a minor or rape of a 13 year is okay
 
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DON'T mistake a judge's decision with that being France's law.

I know nuances in either English language or western laws are still new for several people not accustomed to nuances. A judge making a decision on a single case is not France saying sex w/ a minor or rape of a 13 year is okay
i was under the impression that France like other western states follow common law? perhaps i was wrong :what:
 

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i was under the impression that France like other western states follow common law? perhaps i was wrong :what:
Common law is pretty much an Anglo-Saxon thing. This is the reason why you have to take a Special exam if you want to practice law in Louisiana as lawyer who hasn’t studied law in Louisiana (and vice versa). Louisiana was a French colony back then.
 

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is anyone surprised its the French

they sexualise their women and then make groups to give women "equal rights"

the equal rights women then demand equal rights by stripping naked and showing their naked body

apparently they call it "freedom of expression"
 

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France’s top court has rejected a bid to pursue rape charges against a group of firefighters accused of repeatedly raping a girl known as “Julie” during a period between her 13th and 15th birthdays.
The men will instead be charged with sexual assault, which carries a lighter sentence than rape. Attorneys for Julie’s family plan to contest that decision and bring the case to Europe’s Court of Human Rights.

The horrific allegations in Julie’s case have galvanized protesters who want to see France institute stricter age-of-consent laws. Julie was 13 when she suffered a seizure in school and was rescued by firefighters. After the incident, she began to have severe anxiety attacks that repeatedly required firefighters to intervene, and developed a trusting relationship with the men, which they allegedly later exploited.




According to Julie’s family and lawyers, the firefighters got the teenager’s phone number and began sending her flirtatious messages. Over a two-year period, she was allegedly raped by 20 men. According to her mother, she made multiple suicide attempts and is now struggling with severe disability.
The Wednesday judgment from France’s high court backs a lower appeals court’s finding that Julie, now 25, “had the necessary discernment” to reject the men’s advances, and argues that investigators failed to establish that all of the men were aware that Julie was a minor.
Three of the firefighters admitted to having sex with Julie but said that they did so consensually. The other 17 men have not been charged.

Under French law, sex with a minor under the age of 15 is considered illegal only if it is not consensual. Given the difficulty of proving that a minor was forcibly or violently coerced, only about 1 percent of such cases result in convictions.



While rape charges would have carried a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, the firefighters will face sentences of no more than seven years if they are convicted of sexual assault.
Protesters who have rallied around Julie’s case argue that it exposes flaws in France’s age of consent law, saying that a child under 15 is not capable of giving consent, if the perpetrator is at least five years older. This week, France’s National Assembly voted to amend the law so that all sexual acts involving people under the age of 15 would be considered rape. The legislation has yet to move through the country’s senate, but President Emmanuel Macron’s government has expressed support for the change.

In a statement Wednesday, Julie’s lawyers pointed out the irony of having the high court decree that a minor under the age of 15 was capable of consent just days after elected officials decided otherwise. They argued that the judges should have taken into account that Julie was especially fragile and in a state of “great psychological distress” and criticized the court for reinforcing an “archaic ideology.”



The recent push to change France’s consent laws came after a prominent political commentator was accused of incest, leading to a flood of women coming forward with their own stories of sexual abuse. The outpouring has been described as a “second #MeToo movement” in France, one primarily focused on child sex abuse and incest rather than workplace harassment.
Julie’s story, which inspired the hashtag #JusticePourJulie, has added to the furor and sparked protests from feminists who see it as indicative of a larger societal failure to hold rapists and abusers accountable. Many had hoped that the case could set a legal precedent, opening the door for more victims to bring forward charges of child rape.
This report has been updated.
These are girls : not your toys.
 

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i was under the impression that France like other western states follow common law? perhaps i was wrong :what:
It's NOT about common law. It is about individual judges having the latitude to accept 'certain' charges (charging materials) or the latitude to lower them. This one judge decided, in this case, he would not accept the Rape charge, rather downgrade it to a sexual attack. However, that does not mean that French laws say it okay to rape or there is no such thing as the rape of a minor/13-year-old.
 
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