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It won't it's a fad first it was the Arabs in Lahore in the 70s they were naming places and cities after Arabs Faisalabad named after King Faisal National Stadium to Gaddafi Stadium now its everything Turkish but I think Turkish influence can be beneficial mix in with Chinese ones via CPEC
I do not really know if Pakistanis like Turkey or if they only like Erdogan. Turkey is still nominally a secular country with no sharia courts, not sure if the majority in Pakistan could support that. Turkey could easily be the most secular, irreligious Muslim countries in the world, probably save for Albania, Bosnia and Azerbaijian, while Pakistan is very religious.

I think places like Faisalabad and Abbottabad should be renamed after local legends. Abbottabad was literally named after a colonial officer.
 

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Yes, I do think Pakistan should take a more reasoned approach. Pakistan can gain nothing out of this. It's probably PMIK's play to portray himself as a defender of Islam to boost domestic support.

As for Erdogan, Turkey is now in a dispute with France-backed Greece in the Eastern Mediterranean. But this has nothing to do with Pakistan, and Pakistan should not get involved.
We dont need your advice on how to act.

Imran Khan is a devout Muslim, and in the last two UN speeches he gave he had already mentioned this disrespect of Prophet Muhammad saws.

Turkey and Pakistan are blood Brothers, we have always helped each other since Ottoman and Mughal times.

The same can be said about Turkey's actions in North Syria. What does it have to do with Pakistan? What would Turkey give in return for Pakistan's supporting Turkey in North Syria? Turkey is literally invading another Muslim-majority sovereign state.

Maybe there is something I don't know. Probably Turkey does give something to Pakistan in return. To support Turkish actions in Syria (which no major power supports) to boost domestic political support is very problematic. Pakistan should be wary of Turkish influence.

Yes, many oversea Iranians act like as if they were Europeans and with a superiority complex. It's because of the Pahlavi Aryanism propaganda.
Turkey has always been welcomed as a liberator in the Sunni/Orthodox Islamic world.

Being the last Khalifah and a history of spreading Islam for 1,000 years gives Turkey clout in almost every Muslim nation.

That's why a solid national identity is very important. Some Pakistanis seem not to understand this. Pakistan is a country of South Asian Muslim heritage, not Turks or Arabs.
You do not understand Pakistan or Pakistanis. This is clear.

Turkey's Ottoman revival scheme would likely fail. You cannot fan up nationalism forever. It only works temporarily. I guess then the Turkish influence in Pakistan would fade.

I think calling for attention against Islamophobia is fine. But Pakistan should not do stuff like calling away ambassadors from France. It's really unnecessary confrontation. Otherwise Pakistan does not have any dispute with France and should be maintaining good relations with it.
We all want the Khilafat back. It is the solution for all our problems.

I think some like you are afraid of Muslim ascendance, esp of Turkey's rapid rise.

Yet hindu India drinks French urine and for free
Looooool.

I do not really know if Pakistanis like Turkey or if they only like Erdogan. Turkey is still nominally a secular country with no sharia courts, not sure if the majority in Pakistan could support that. Turkey could easily be the most secular, irreligious Muslim countries in the world, probably save for Albania, Bosnia and Azerbaijian, while Pakistan is very religious.

I think places like Faisalabad and Abbottabad should be renamed after local legends. Abbottabad was literally named after a colonial officer.
There have been threads on it, like mine. You can see that almost all Pakistanis love Turkey (even the majority of Shia Pakistanis.)

You are free to create a thread and make a poll, I am sure you will get your answer there.

Regarding your second point, you are responding to a non-Pakistani, so you are getting second hand information.

It was the choice of Pakistanis to rename Lyallpur to Faisalabad, and we love it (it is my city.) It has nothing to do with any pressure.

The Faisal masjid also is a beloved monument which defines Islamabad. Designed by a Turkish architect and funded by KSA.

Moving on to Gaddafi/Qaddafi stadium, it is another sign of love from Pakistanis for their support and help for our nuclear program.

Love of other Muslims is something intrinsic to the Pakistani nation, and reflected again and again among our founding fathers.

You can see even with Quaid e Azam's unwavering support of Palestinians, Jordan, etc.

In Allama Iqbal's poetry, you can see his love of the brave Turkish spirit and the respect for Arab piety. For example, check Tulu e Islam.
 

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We dont need your advice on how to act.

Imran Khan is a devout Muslim, and in the last two UN speeches he gave he had already mentioned this disrespect of Prophet Muhammad saws.

Turkey and Pakistan are blood Brothers, we have always helped each other since Ottoman and Mughal times.



Turkey has always been welcomed as a liberator in the Sunni/Orthodox Islamic world.

Being the last Khalifah and a history of spreading Islam for 1,000 years gives Turkey clout in almost every Muslim nation.



You do not understand Pakistan or Pakistanis. This is clear.



We all want the Khilafat back. It is the solution for all our problems.

I think some like you are afraid of Muslim ascendance, esp of Turkey's rapid rise.



Looooool.



There have been threads on it, like mine. You can see that almost all Pakistanis love Turkey (even the majority of Shia Pakistanis.)

You are free to create a thread and make a poll, I am sure you will get your answer there.

Regarding your second point, you are responding to a non-Pakistani, so you are getting second hand information.

It was the choice of Pakistanis to rename Lyallpur to Faisalabad, and we love it (it is my city.) It has nothing to do with any pressure.

The Faisal masjid also is a beloved monument which defines Islamabad. Designed by a Turkish architect and funded by KSA.

Moving on to Gaddafi/Qaddafi stadium, it is another sign of love from Pakistanis for their support and help for our nuclear program.

Love of other Muslims is something intrinsic to the Pakistani nation, and reflected again and again among our founding fathers.

You can see even with Quaid e Azam's unwavering support of Palestinians, Jordan, etc.

In Allama Iqbal's poetry, you can see his love of the brave Turkish spirit and the respect for Arab piety. For example, check Tulu e Islam.
I'm fully aware that Pakistanis love Turkey. That's no problem. But do you base your foreign policy on rational calculation or your emotion about Turkey? Turkey is literally on a collision course with the EU, Egypt and many Arab countries, is Pakistan going to do the same?

I'm afraid of Turkey's rise? Are you kidding me? I don't see Turkey's rise at all. I have nothing against Muslims or the Turkish people. I don't even care about Turkish policies. I don't think it a bad thing that Pakistanis love Turkey. But does this mean that Pakistan should be a fan-boy for Turkey at the international stage, no matter what Turkey does?

Turkish Lira crumbles, economy shrinks. Turkey messes up its relations with almost all world major powers. Turkey has bad relations with almost all its neighbors, Muslim or non-Muslim alike. Does Turkey really have the power to build the fifth Caliphate? No, it's just acting bellicose.

Supporting Palestine is a different issue. It can be justified by international law. Turkey's actions can't.
 

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We dont need your advice on how to act.

Imran Khan is a devout Muslim, and in the last two UN speeches he gave he had already mentioned this disrespect of Prophet Muhammad saws.

Turkey and Pakistan are blood Brothers, we have always helped each other since Ottoman and Mughal times.



Turkey has always been welcomed as a liberator in the Sunni/Orthodox Islamic world.

Being the last Khalifah and a history of spreading Islam for 1,000 years gives Turkey clout in almost every Muslim nation.



You do not understand Pakistan or Pakistanis. This is clear.



We all want the Khilafat back. It is the solution for all our problems.

I think some like you are afraid of Muslim ascendance, esp of Turkey's rapid rise.



Looooool.



There have been threads on it, like mine. You can see that almost all Pakistanis love Turkey (even the majority of Shia Pakistanis.)

You are free to create a thread and make a poll, I am sure you will get your answer there.

Regarding your second point, you are responding to a non-Pakistani, so you are getting second hand information.

It was the choice of Pakistanis to rename Lyallpur to Faisalabad, and we love it (it is my city.) It has nothing to do with any pressure.

The Faisal masjid also is a beloved monument which defines Islamabad. Designed by a Turkish architect and funded by KSA.

Moving on to Gaddafi/Qaddafi stadium, it is another sign of love from Pakistanis for their support and help for our nuclear program.

Love of other Muslims is something intrinsic to the Pakistani nation, and reflected again and again among our founding fathers.

You can see even with Quaid e Azam's unwavering support of Palestinians, Jordan, etc.

In Allama Iqbal's poetry, you can see his love of the brave Turkish spirit and the respect for Arab piety. For example, check Tulu e Islam.
And to be honest, I feel like Pakistan IS getting something in return for its support for Turkey. We just don't know it yet. The MILGEM class warship might be one of them.
 

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I'm fully aware that Pakistanis love Turkey. That's no problem. But do you base your foreign policy on rational calculation or your emotion about Turkey? Turkey is literally on a collision course with the EU, Egypt and many Arab countries, is Pakistan going to do the same?

I'm afraid of Turkey's rise? Are you kidding me? I don't see Turkey's rise at all. I have nothing against Muslims or the Turkish people. I don't even care about Turkish policies. I don't think it a bad thing that Pakistanis love Turkey. But does this mean that Pakistan should be a fan-boy for Turkey at the international stage, no matter what Turkey does?

Turkish Lira crumbles, economy shrinks. Turkey messes up its relations with almost all world major powers. Turkey has bad relations with almost all its neighbors, Muslim or non-Muslim alike. Does Turkey really have the power to build the fifth Caliphate? No, it's just acting bellicose.

Supporting Palestine is a different issue. It can be justified by international law. Turkey's actions can't.
And to be honest, I feel like Pakistan IS getting something in return for its support for Turkey. We just don't know it yet. The MILGEM class warship might be one of them.

Turkey is a rising regional heavyweight in the Mid East that's no doubt they are a G20 economy with a sizable armed forces and defense industry but I agree the current leadership under the AKP are quite erratic with its geopolitical decisions mainly in Syria its fast becoming a headache Idlib Turkey is dealing with reactionary proxies that could blow up in their face Pakistan faced the same in the early 90s when the Soviets left Afghanistan I am afraid for Turkey getting blowback and it might start soon as for Russia/US it seems they want to sit in two chairs and regards to China the Uygurs poking nose via Pan Turanism propaganda is concerning but I think they are elements in Turkish society and the military that will prevent Erdogan from screwing the country further the 2016 coup bought a return of nationalists and Kemalists in their army
As for Pakistan they are benefits in relations with Turkey diplomatic support for Kashmir and military technology cooperation
 

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The same can be said about Turkey's actions in North Syria.
I disagree with you over Turkey. Taking a hit for standing up for vague notions like ummah with no benefit is not comparable to standing by another country where you gain something positive. And Turkey is one of them. To begin with Turkey is one of the few countries where they hold a positive opinion of Pakistan. This is rare and every effort should be made to consolidate this. In addition the Turkish government tends to give Pakistan support on the international fora over issues like Kashmir and FATF. Again this is rare. You can only count on Turkey or China. So this is another very tangible reason.

Also standing by Turkey does not 'cost' Pakistan so much. Being a NATO member standing by Turkey gives Pakistan certain amount of immunity. So for whatever "cost" Pakistan has in case of Turkey there are very real reasons to build up this relationship. We must also understand Turkey is faast emerging as a regional heavyweight with a world class economy. This will offer Pakistan lots of opportunity as we move forward providing Turkish relationship is continued and consolidated.

Now compare standing by Palestinians or not recognizing Israel. These 'cost' Pakistan dearly with the animus bought from Western powers and reaction from the Jewish lobby in the West. On the other hand this offers Pakistan no benefit whatsoever. Non. Indeed Palestinans often tend to be pro India.
 

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I disagree with you over Turkey. Taking a hit for standing up for vague notions like ummah with no benefit is not comparable to standing by another country where you gain something positive. And Turkey is one of them. To begin with Turkey is one of the few countries where they hold a positive opinion of Pakistan. This is rare and every effort should be made to consolidate this. In addition the Turkish government tends to give Pakistan support on the international fora over issues like Kashmir and FATF. Again this is rare. You can only count on Turkey or China. So this is another very tangible reason.

Also standing by Turkey does not 'cost' Pakistan so much. Being a NATO member standing by Turkey gives Pakistan certain amount of immunity. So for whatever "cost" Pakistan has in case of Turkey there are very real reasons to build up this relationship. We must also understand Turkey is faast emerging as a regional heavyweight with a world class economy. This will offer Pakistan lots of opportunity as we move forward providing Turkish relationship is continued and consolidated.

Now compare standing by Palestinians or not recognizing Israel. These 'cost' Pakistan dearly with the animus bought from Western powers and reaction from the Jewish lobby in the West. On the other hand this offers Pakistan no benefit whatsoever. Non. Indeed Palestinans often tend to be pro India.
What we need is to change the perception of Turkey in Pakistan the problem is perception of the country the Turks should invest in pushing soft power that is realistic portrayal of Present-day Turkey relates to common man move away from neo-Ottomanism and no glitzy portrayals of upper class please
 

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hes british not pakistani
He is a Nigga not a Pakistani.
What we need is to change the perception of Turkey in Pakistan the problem is perception of the country the Turks should invest in pushing soft power that is realistic portrayal of Present-day Turkey relates to common man move away from neo-Ottoamanism and no glitzy portrayals of upper class please
For now let our ignorant masses feast on Ertrugul and Neo-Ottomanism. It does no harm. If the truth [that they are just goray who eat kebabs] comes out our lot will recoil and find some good for nothing savages to ape like Omani, Saudi or Somali's. What we want is a slow landing. Once are masses have been sedated with Ertrugul Ghazi et al they will begin aping Turks. Slowly the real culture of Turkey will begin be exposed but by that time they will have soft power in Pakistan and influence our younger generations - then one day Islamabad will be South Asian Istanbul.

Touch wood ......
 
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I disagree with you over Turkey. Taking a hit for standing up for vague notions like ummah with no benefit is not comparable to standing by another country where you gain something positive. And Turkey is one of them. To begin with Turkey is one of the few countries where they hold a positive opinion of Pakistan. This is rare and every effort should be made to consolidate this. In addition the Turkish government tends to give Pakistan support on the international fora over issues like Kashmir and FATF. Again this is rare. You can only count on Turkey or China. So this is another very tangible reason.

Also standing by Turkey does not 'cost' Pakistan so much. Being a NATO member standing by Turkey gives Pakistan certain amount of immunity. So for whatever "cost" Pakistan has in case of Turkey there are very real reasons to build up this relationship. We must also understand Turkey is faast emerging as a regional heavyweight with a world class economy. This will offer Pakistan lots of opportunity as we move forward providing Turkish relationship is continued and consolidated.

Now compare standing by Palestinians or not recognizing Israel. These 'cost' Pakistan dearly with the animus bought from Western powers and reaction from the Jewish lobby in the West. On the other hand this offers Pakistan no benefit whatsoever. Non. Indeed Palestinans often tend to be pro India.
I agree with most of what you've said. If Pakistan can get something in return and the cost is small, then it's just normal diplomatic maneuver.

But I'm curious, why are Palestinians pro-India?
 

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But I'm curious, why are Palestinians pro-India?

1. Black September and the role of Pakistani officers who had done heinous acts such as ordering tanks to roll over Palestinian civilians.
2. Cold War era relations between key PLO leaders and the Congress party. Indra Gandhi and Yasser Arafat had a very close understanding with each other.
 

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1. Black September and the role of Pakistani officers who had done heinous acts such as ordering tanks to roll over Palestinian civilians.
2. Cold War era relations between key PLO leaders and the Congress party. Indra Gandhi and Yasser Arafat had a very close understanding with each other.
Then they should be better informed to know that India today is not that of Indira Gandhi. Back then India was leftist. Now it's right-wing.
 

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Then they should be better informed to know that India today is not that of Indira Gandhi. Back then India was leftist. Now it's right-wing.
it isn't about being informed or not
it's about what is convinient and what isn't

going against india is inconvenient to many countries/movements. PLO won't bother terminating what little grace they have from india for pakistan's sake. in some ways it is very understandable.

think of this as well. if you went around here in north america asking people how did gandhi die. they will be clue less. if you inform them on how he died and how the people in power of india today are involved in the mix - they wouldn't believe you.

might makes right and going against might is inconvenient
 

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