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So the problem is that Macron doesn't disapprove of the caricature. It would be one thing to say he disapproved, but defended the right to make it, but his words show that he completely approves of them.

That's the problem.

The terrorist who beheaded the professor should have be shot, I don't think anyone with a brain disputes that, its Macron's reaction that is the problem.


Macron could have said that he disapproves of the caricature, but defends the right to make them, and the backlash France is receiving right now would be faaaaar milder.

Macron's words make it seem like France's government is actively promoting racism and Islamaphobia.
Glen Greenwald wrote an article on precisely this in 2015. (Warning there is a caricature in this article). But the crux of his argument is that people claim all religions should be mocked equally but it is far easier for them to mock an already marginalized group (that they already hate) while they would not dare mock a protected class or faith or people. The reason being that they themselves believe the content of the cartoon not just the right to make them. Showing “Solidarity” is going from letting the cartoonist making the cartoons to endorsing the bigoted message.

In a country like France with at least a 10% Muslim population, who are generally at the bottom of society, this will only lead to more alienation, similar to African Americans in the US, and re-enforce the view among the rest of French society that Muslims are the eternal “Other”. What is more clear then Macron and his ilk worrying that Muslims and Jews want to eat Halal and Kosher, respectively. Where is the Liberty in that kind of a kind of a mindset.

 

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haha kid! arnt u the same man who didnt even know why we should be defending Allah and his last and final Prophet SAW..........

You have a lot to learn.
You are the kid who hiding behind the Prophet Mohammed to justify your inclinations to murder, political gains, and disregard for whole Muslim Ummah. I don't know how you don't fear God from this behavior of yours. I picked apart your whole argument and all you can do is distort what I said.

I'm disappointed in you Umair as you're an older member here who I got along with. We are behaving like incompetent idiots and morons over past decades and we facing a crisis in our people and not our religion. Time to reform our people or they gonna lead themselves into disasters and transgressions.
 

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France produces what ?


a) Make Up
b) Fancy clothes which are charged 10 folds again mostly in Arab Muslim , Hijab wearing countries
c) Tones of Cheese export to Arab Muslim countries
d) Champagne , mostly used by none Muslims


So if you anger your customers by insulting their Prophet , why would these customers be buying your goods ? Any knowledgeable person will buy something else


Most of Africa either can't afford to buy french overpriced goods , or they just don't want to buy french being opressed by the french for 100-200 years


If French were smart they would offer a free Hijab for people who buy their goods as a thank you
No one is gona take their shit and pay expensive prices for their stupid *** cheese


Good product , agreed
The cheese is great , tastes amazing with bread ....



However...

You can't be a businessman and racist at same time



However .... this is where things are now




Irony , Macron is wearing a Hijab
The French products are now behind a veil



All he had to do was ensure his lunatic newspaper writers control their writings as people normally do for sensitive religious matters , and every one would be eating cheese

I mean cheese has no religion it is secular cheese
 
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haha kid! arnt u the same man who didnt even know why we should be defending Allah and his last and final Prophet SAW..........

You have a lot to learn.
Have some respect for our Palestinian brother. He makes some good points, please read what he says.

We can fight back in the best way via BDS as Palestinian rights groups do. That means Boycott, Divest, Sanction.

No Muslims should buy anything from France, visit France, consume their media, etc. Muslims in France must move out of this country and come to the Muslim world or move to more tolerant countries.

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The moral compass of French is totally messed up. These people are simply unsalvageable. Let us just do the necessary and pretend this country doesn't exist. This blight on humanity.

About the Indian cheerleaders.... They are just devils.
 
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Europe is gonna go into decline
Nice and clever.
Unfortunately God don't exist. It was a gentle fable for 15th century poor guy, but not for internet world.

and this is why the flag bearer of Islam will be western civilization within the coming centuries.
In the void of irreligion that the west has created along with how they had simultaneously steered christianity to its silent end - it is very clear which spiritual inclination will fill the gap that will result
 

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France produces what ?


a) Make Up
b) Fancy clothes which are charged 10 folds again mostly in Arab Muslim , Hijab wearing countries
c) Tones of Cheese export to Arab Muslim countries
d) Champagne , mostly used by none Muslims


So if you anger your customers by insulting their Prophet , why would these customers be buying your goods ? Any knowledgeable person will buy something else


Most of Africa either can't afford to buy french overpriced goods , or they just don't want to buy french being opressed by the french for 100-200 years


If French were smart they would offer a free Hijab for people who buy their goods as a thank you
No one is gona take their shit and pay expensive prices for their stupid *** cheese


Good product , agreed
The cheese is great , tastes amazing with bread ....



However...

You can't be a businessman and racist at same time



However .... this is where things are now




Irony , Macron is wearing a Hijab
The French products are now behind a veil



All he had to do was ensure his lunatic newspaper writers control their writings as people normally do for sensitive religious matters , and every one would be eating cheese

I mean cheese has no religion it is secular cheese
Boycott already having an effect.

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You are the kid who hiding behind the Prophet Mohammed to justify your inclinations to murder, political gains, and disregard for whole Muslim Ummah. I don't know how you don't fear God from this behavior of yours. I picked apart your whole argument and all you can do is distort what I said.

I'm disappointed in you Umair as you're an older member here who I got along with. We are behaving like incompetent idiots and morons over past decades and we facing a crisis in our people and not our religion. Time to reform our people or they gonna lead themselves into disasters and transgressions.
ahh u idiot! i didnt answered you because i didnt wanted to derail this thread!

As for you you Palestinians are the last people whom we like to follow. Atleast We HAVE A HOME!

We being the Muslim country have the authority under sharia to declare Global Jahad against the enemies of Islam. As for you, its better to see what these Frenchies are doing which has brought them in this day!

They deserve our wrath and they r gonna get it!
 

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actually the only thing Muslim countries can do it unite and boycott , there is no need for calls of war or violence , there has to be some things on which there should not be any compromise , I hope that Iran and KSA should come together on at least this issue, Prophet Muhammad Pbuh is beloved to both Shia and Sunnis' equally .
There are somethings that are acts of war, we need to draw the line.
 

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Whatever the French domestic religion policy, cannot be compared to China.

In French Muslims are speaking out against the state, asking for privileges, else they shout discrimination. Then they stir grievances among their fellow Sunni.

In China, the Hui Muslims are so acculturized and accepting the Han culture that they stress the similarity with Han.

I have seen Uighurs now even spoke out against Pan Islamism, against halal labeling, critizing it as an attempt by deviants to seek isolation and stirring identity politics.

Eventually China will be a strong nation.

Below Uighur actress Gulinazha.

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very good if uyighar women are being liberated and getting chance for working as heroins in films .
AND LET ME MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO YOU! TALIBAN HAVE ALREADY WON! YOU DONT WANT THEM TO COME TO COUNTRY ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND CRUSH YR SMALL LITTLE COUNTRY!

FALL IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE EARTH OR ELSE WE WILL ANNIHILATE YOU! AS FOR YR ''FRENCHINESS'' ITS SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH NOR A IMPRESSIVE ENOUGH FOR THE WORLD TO FOLLOW......NOBODY WANTS TO BECOME ONE OF THE PSYCHOS!

If you will insult our Islam and last and final Prophet Muhammad SAW we will not spare you! that headless blasphemere should serve as a great example for yr kind!

All Freanch citizens all over the world will now pay a heavy prize for yr nation's madness!

Game is ON!
so you will go al qayada way ?
 

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Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice".

The version of Article 19 in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".

Probably the French president do not know about the amendments in Article 19 of UDHR!!!!!
haha kid! arnt u the same man who didnt even know why we should be defending Allah and his last and final Prophet SAW..........
You have a lot to learn.
With due respect, I would like to say that Allah Subhanahu wa taaala do not need His own creation to defend Him against his own creation.

Both attributes - goodness and evilness were created by Allah Subhanahu wa taaala.

This world is the examination hall for the humanity. Every human have choices to make, paths to choose - righteous or otherwise.
 

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kid! im a Pakistani! where we were involved we were pretty effective eg Both Afghan wars. :lol:
No one won against Afghan ! Nor the GB, not the russian, nor the americans.
The terrain is too difficult.
And there is nothing there so important to justify to came in in force (like in Irak for exemple)
The version of Article 19 in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".

Probably the French president do not know about the amendments in Article 19 of UDHR!!!!!
You ignore the fact that these famous caricatures are not made only against Allah ! All the gods, top brass and so one can and are caricatured in France.
We don't want, under the muslims pressure, to change that just for one single religion. A so called peacefull religion, but the one and alone used by some to killed nearly 250 french in ten years.
 

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ahh u idiot! i didnt answered you because i didnt wanted to derail this thread!

As for you you Palestinians are the last people whom we like to follow. Atleast We HAVE A HOME!

We being the Muslim country have the authority under sharia to declare Global Jahad against the enemies of Islam. As for you, its better to see what these Frenchies are doing which has brought them in this day!

They deserve our wrath and they r gonna get it!
The only idiot I see galavanting attempting to derail this thread is you. You ought to feel ashamed at your post. I cringed reading it. You sound like you are not Pakistani - I have never heard a Pakistani attempting to belittle ANY member by taking a low blow about having a home. Your “home” is ashamed today. Our home has always space and heart for any Muslim.
@Falcon29 he is no representative of Pakistan and he stands in a single minority.
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @PakFactor @Verve @PAKISTANFOREVER - guys I’m listening to the news on Sky - in less than 48 hours France is feeling the pinch and the onslaught of boycott is indeed taking an effect.
 
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