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France Upset As Germany Blocks Meteor Missile Export To Saudi Arabia

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  1. Zarvan

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    MBDA Meteor Missile

    Germany and the UK are at loggerheads over the former blocking the export of MBDA’s Meteor long range air-to-air missile for use on Saudi Arabia’s Eurofighter Typhoons.

    Berlin is understood to have blocked the sale citing German-made components in the missile as it is opposed to Saudi Arabia’s use of the Meteor-mounted Typhoons in the Yemen conflict and over the Jamal Khashoggi affair.

    The contract for the export of the MBDA -made Meteor to Saudi is estimated to be worth US$1 billion, LAtribune.fr reported quoting unnamed sources. Some key components of the Meteor are made by Bayern-Chemie and TDW which are subsidiaries of MBDA in Germany.

    The German ban comes at a time when France and Germany are discussing the development of the Future Combat Air System (FCAS), an European project to develop a fifth generation fighter jet for which missiles made the European consortium MBDA will form the main offensive component.

    French companies are decidedly cut-up over Berlin’s action; comparing it with the US ban on sale of the Scalp missile to Egypt sold as part of the Dassault Rafale deal (which was subsequently lifted) and want to develop by themselves components made in Germany for MBDA.

    While French firms want guarantees that there will be no restrictions on the export of defence equipment made under collaborative programs, German political parties- SPD and the Greens have pitched for common restrictive rules where export restrictions could be imposed in certain cases.

    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/24...r_Missile_Export_to_Saudi_Arabia#.XFrSSFwzZPY
     
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    typhoon is a real mess
     
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    Why would SA use AAMs in Yemen? And why not just block sale of spares if they are so concerned?

    This just proves the importance of self reliance and with the kind of money the Saudis spend - I cant believe they still don't have a domestic aerospace industry :hitwall:
     
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    The Saudis canceled the order of 72 typhoons only 48 are in service ! And the tornados will be replaced by new generation fighters meanwhile the f-15 has took the role of the tornados
     
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    One oughta have brains for that mate.
    Money can't buy that...
     
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    I didnt know the EF order had been reduced. Thanks

    They can pay me - I'll advice them :sarcastic:
     
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    Where did you get this info.. it is a confused info.. Saudi Arabia is operating 72 Typhoons..and ordered 48 more when MBS visited England.. There are 3 options now:The UK will give the Meteor from its own reserve since it has signed the deal in 2015, Germany will comply with its allies an let the Meteor be delivered..or it can be replaced by the Aim-120D, since it was already integrated on the Typhoon..
    The loser here is Germany with its fake Human rights alibi..

    "Berlin is understood to have blocked the sale citing German-made components in the missile as it is opposed to Saudi Arabia’s use of the Meteor-mounted Typhoons in the Yemen conflict and over the Jamal Khashoggi affair."

    Houthis have no airforce for the Meteor to be used against..And the Khashoggi affair is gone with the wind..and the perpetrators have been judged and condemned.. So Germany is holding on thin air.. when it comes to arms exports..
    In the meanwhile Germany is involved in huge civilian projects in Saudi Arabia with TOT and what have you..
     
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    This is the fate of the Gulfies i hope the worst will happen for you lazy people. Imagine you buy Chinese weapon and it use Russian parts and they blocked it ahahah. Keep it trolling Germany.

    ToT will not save and they will realise it 20 years further and billions of dollar wasted...
     
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    germans suddenly become saints after killing uncountable people
     
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    Well, Saudis will get a custom made solution from someone else. Germany keep licking your technology. French guys knew the inner story.

    It's about technology, not humanity. From Yemen to Iran to....
     
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    yeah west refusing to sale passenger planes to iran . this act killing many innocent iranis
     
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    Israel will strike against every Middle Eastern nation. This move is just to support Israel.
     
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    Germans are not what they used to be,overall,best people in Europe.
     
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    They are operating just 48 of them
     
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    Green Light for Follow-on Saudi Typhoon Deal

    - March 12, 2018, 4:59 AM
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    Typhoons from the original Saudi batch have seen action over Yemen. (Photo: Jamie Hunter/Eurofighter)


    On March 9 the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia signed a Memorandum of Intent (MoI) with the UK government to purchase 48 Eurofighter Typhoon swing-role fighters. Leading the sale on behalf of the Eurofighter partner companies, BAE Systems—along with the UK government—had been pursuing a follow-on Saudi buy for several years, having earlier sold 72 Typhoons to the Kingdom.

    For the partner companies and their suppliers throughout Europe the deal, if finalized, represents a major boost, coming on top of a Qatari order for 24 Typhoons signed in December. Before the order Typhoon production at the BAE Systems Warton plant had been expected to shut down in 2022 without further orders, but the two new deals secure thousands of jobs for several more years.

    Signed in London by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the MoI is for an order that would be worth more than £10 billion if concluded. “The Crown Prince’s visit has opened a new chapter in our two countries' historic relationship,” said Gavin Williamson, UK defence secretary. “We have taken a vital step toward finalizing another order for Typhoon jets that will increase security in the Middle East and boost British industry and jobs in our unrivaled aerospace sector.”

    BAE Systems CEO Charles Woodburn noted that the company is “committed to supporting the Kingdom as it modernizes the Saudi Armed Forces and develops key industrial capabilities critical to the delivery of Vision 2030,” the Kingdom’s economic diversification and social reform strategy. This has raised speculation about the part Saudi industry could play in production of the aircraft. Plans for the 2007 order for 72 Typhoons included later aircraft being assembled in Saudi Arabia, but they were all completed on the Warton final assembly line. However, some work on the 22 BAE Systems Hawk advanced trainers ordered by the Royal Saudi Air Force is undertaken in the Kingdom.

    If concluded, this agreement is expected to cover Typhoons equipped to the very latest standard, at least as capable as those currently being produced for Kuwait (a deal for 28 aircraft that was headed by Leonardo and the Italian government). Those aircraft are to be equipped with the Captor-E AESA radar and Pirate forward-looking infrared sensor. Weapon options for the Saudi Typhoons would likely include the Meteor, Storm Shadow, and Brimstone missiles from MBDA.

    Meanwhile, Typhoon’s chances of landing an order from Malaysia appear to have improved following a remark by the country’s defense minister concerning the European Union’s intention to reduce imports of palm oil, Malaysia’s prime export product and one that has been used as part-payment for various defense programs. In a post-Brexit Europe this policy—if implemented—could place a British-led Typhoon campaign at a distinct advantage over its French rival, the Dassault Rafale.

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-03-12/green-light-follow-saudi-typhoon-deal