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France takes it's new battle with Britain to Cuisine with world's best Restaurant list.

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  1. mike2000 is back

    mike2000 is back SENIOR MEMBER

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    French chefs take fight to British with new best restaurants list
    France is launching its own ranking of the world's top 1,000 restaurants as a riposte to the UK-based World's 50 Best Restaurants

    French chef Benoît Violier tops the list

    By Henry Samuel, Paris

    12:45PM GMT

    Half of the world’s top ten restaurants are run by Frenchmen, according to a new “totally scientific” Gallic ranking devised to counter what France claims is an Anglo-Saxon plot to dethrone its cuisine.

    While its creators deny any “gastro-nationalism”, the top slot in its list of the world’s best 1,000 restaurants goes to French chef Benoît Violier, whose Restaurant de l'Hotel de Ville is in Crissier, Switzerland.

    Restaurants run by French cooks come fourth, eighth, ninth and 10th, while more than a quarter of the new ranking’s top 100 restaurants are in France.

    La Liste (The List), to be launched on Thursday, is France’s response to the influence of the UK-based World’s 50 Best Restaurants, which its top chefs and diplomats fret is undermining the country’s gastronomic might and traditional French guides including the fabled Michelin. They have dismissed it as “opaque” and biased.

    [​IMG]Violler's Restaurant de l'Hotel de Ville

    La Liste is the brainchild of France’s foreign ministry, which was piqued to find not a single Gallic eatery in the 50 Best’s top 10 for the past two years. One French food critic called the slight "Waterloo on a plate".

    It is based on an algorithm named Ciacco, the nickname of Dante’s gluttonous friend in “The Inferno,” and invented by Antoine Ribaut, a French-American computer systems architect.

    The Anglo-Saxons are showing that they’re wilfully robbing us of laurels. We’re going to fight them, to show them that we’re not just a bunch of old geezers,” Philippe Faure, France’s recently appointed top “gastrodiplomat” told French GQ magazine.:lol:

    In the new list, the number of restaurants in France is second to Japan overall, followed by America. UK-based restaurants, meanwhile, are far behind in seventh place, getting fewer mentions than China, Spain, Germany and Italy.

    "Because we are French, foreigners will find there are too many French in the rankings. For their part, our fellow countrymen will say there aren't enough".
    Philippe Faure
    Stung by the latest French broadside, William Drew, group editor of The World’s 50 Best Restaurants, hit back that unlike the French list, “we are not affiliated to any government or any country”.

    Founded by Restaurant Magazine in 2002, 50 Best is, he said, “a truly global independent list created by an international organisation that gathers the votes of almost 1,000 experts from across the globe".

    “Our voters can choose any style of restaurant within their seven choices: we do not set defined criteria – it’s a free and democratic process but with strict voting rules. What’s more, the voting process and resulting list are subject to independent adjudication by Deloitte.”

    [​IMG]Guy Savoy Photo: Rex Features

    Mr Faure insists the new French list is "totally scientific", compiled according to an algorithm that he likens to tennis’s ATP or the Shanghai world university rankings. Its creators say it aggregates marks for thousands of restaurants around the world from 200 food guides, as well as participatory websites such as TripAdvisor, rankings including 50 Best and food reviews in the press.

    Some 3,000 international chefs were consulted on the trustworthiness of the guides included, and a committee of 20 “international experts” also contributed.

    “I think we have a better product,” Mr Faure said. “Give us two or three years, and we should rather easily win this battle.”

    Despite being chaperoned by the foreign ministry, La Liste has “not received one centime of public money”, he said – but it does have commercial sponsors, Moët et Hennessy, the French champagne house, and Nestlé France among them.

    A source at 50 Best denied there was any “Anglo-Saxon bias", pointing out that it gave pride of place to France, whose restaurants were among “the most represented in the list” while British eateries were “among the least” present.

    [​IMG]Michel Troisgros

    This year, France had five entries, while Spain and America had six. Britain only had two. However, one of these made the top 10 – Dinner by Heston Blumenthal in London at seventh place – while the best French showing was Mirazur in Menton, in 11th place.

    La Liste will be officially unveiled at France’s foreign ministry on December 17. France has between 25 and 30 restaurants in the top 100 with Asian cuisine also faring well. Overall, Japan comes top with more 126 mentions, France is second on 118 and America third on 101. Britain has 46. Restaurants from 45 countries get mentions.

    “You can’t say this is a French list when it has only 118 out of 1,000,” said Mr Faure. "We are prepared for criticism. Because we are French, foreigners will find there are too many French in the rankings. For their part, our fellow countrymen will say there aren't enough,” he told Le Figaro.

    Alain Ducasse, whose restaurants are the second most mentioned, backed it saying: “We cannot sit idly by on the interplanetary media-culinary stage”. But he added: “The basis of the method must be incontestable and uncontested.”

    But Mr Violier, the man whose restaurant was crowned the world’s best, had his doubts. “It seems very tricky to me. Even within Europe, Scandinavian cuisine and French cuisine have identities and styles that deserve to be covered in different guides. So what you say on a global scale?”

    Meanwhile, François Simon, a well-known French food critic, said such rankings were “absurd”.

    “I wonder why we go to such comical lengths to prove ourselves," he said.

    La Liste (The List) Top 10
    1. Restaurant de l'Hôtel de Ville in Crissier (Switzerland)
    2. Per Se (US)
    3. Kyo Aji (Japan)
    4. Guy Savoy (France)
    5. Schauenstein (Switzerland)
    6. El Celler de Can Roca (Spain)
    7. Kyubei (Japan)
    8. Troisgros (France)
    9. Auberge du Vieux Puits (France)
    10. Joël Robuchon (Japan)

    The World's 50 Best Restaurants Top 10
    1. El Celler de Can Roca (Spain)
    2. Osteria Francescana (Italy)
    3. Noma (Denmark)
    4. Central (Peru)
    5. Eleven Madison Park (USA)
    6. Mugaritz (Spain)
    7. Dinner by Heston Blumenthal (UK)
    8. Narisawa (Japan)
    9. D. O. M (Brazil)
    10. Gaggan (Thailand)
    French chefs take fight to British with new best restaurants list - Telegraph

    @Vauban , @Taygibay

    LOL I do admit that France(along with Italy) has the best cuisine in EUROPE(and among the best in the world) though. So France should chill, there is no such thing as 'Anglo-Saxon biased against la France.:stop::D
    Surprise to see Japan is also up there. @Nihonjin1051 :cheers:
  2. Taygibay


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    I know there is actually, at least in cuisine but I also think it runs both ways!
    Maybe because our culinary cultures almost run contrary to each other?
    Honestly, imagine mint sauce snails with a main dish of hard boiled canard à l'orange? :bad:
    Would a list from Asia or Africa give top spot to a Franco-Brit eatery?

    :angel: :whistle:;) Tay.
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2016
  3. mike2000 is back

    mike2000 is back SENIOR MEMBER

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    LOL Probably not.

    Well Anglo-French rivalry has been has been a double edge sword throughout these past centuries.
    Britain and France were constant enemies all through the 18th and into the 19th centuries, but after the fall of Napoléon there were several times we both allied, for reasons of power politics and shared interests. For example in 1845 we both joined in a naval blockade of Argentina and an attempt to force passage up the river Parana to Paraguay. We also allied against Russia in the Crimean War and against China over the Arrow Incident. etc:guns:

    Even in times of hostility, we always had close cultural links. Each emulated the other's traditions, borrowed phrases from their languages. The French were fond of mocking British cuisine - "enormous pieces of beef, whole sheep, monstrous fishes load an immense table bristling with bottles" or "boiled chickens of extreme insipidity" with not a sauce or ragout to be seen;:sick::angry: but hundreds of French cooks saw this as an opportunity, crossed the Channel and opened restaurants or hired on as private chefs, which still goes on to this day in London.
    The traffic was not one-way either: For example, the first modern-style luxury restaurant in Paris, founded in the 1780s, was called the English Tavern (Taverne Anglaise), later renamed the Great London Tavern.:agree:
    Plus, no English gentleman would consider himself well-educated unless he spoke French; French gentlemen modelled their outfits on the fashions being worn in England.:cool: etc. So we have always had a shared history and close relations/connectivity with each other. So it has always been a LOVE- hate relationship of rivalry and alliances/friendship. Today the later has prevailed though.:cheers: