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We are simply unable to get rid of IEDs and only time we do is when FC vehicle hits one. Such a shame. FC comes under interior ministry which is run by army's point man Sheikh Rasheed. He is to be blamed directly for all this loss under his watch.
We are simply unable to defend in peace time imagine if there is a war.
 

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Iran. There were two centres of terror. Iran is known for their terrorist proxie wars across the region:
Lebanon ----> Hezbollah
Yemen ----> Houthis
Afghanistan ---> N. Alliance
Syria ---> Shia Brigade
Palestine ---> Islamic Jihad, Hamas
Pakistan ---> BLA

How many more do you want them to support??
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Stop fabricating your Zion stuff clutch. Iran has only waged proxy war in areas where Shias are being attacked or oppressed. This is not the case in Pakistan, Pakistan has friendly relations with Iran.
 

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MRAPS still dont work
Hence lets use toyotas in just a few high risk areas

Why HIT
Why not buy it off the shelf

We havr no issues importing cheese and BMWs but cant procure 600 MRAPs at cost of 200m$ which probably will even be financed by turkey

Unless bajwas starts riding toyotas in balochistan FC will die
We need to run a chanda and collect 200m dollars just like bank fund so bajwa can buy somw from turkey

Last i check kenya can afford them

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Sheer incompetence and lack of empathy for cannon fodder FC jawans
Every country literally every country which has faced insurgency or even come close to facing it has gone and ordered MRAP and they for sure have reduced deaths of their soldiers. Then comes our leadership. Man o Man this leadership have blood on their hands.
We are simply unable to get rid of IEDs and only time we do is when FC vehicle hits one. Such a shame. FC comes under interior ministry which is run by army's point man Sheikh Rasheed. He is to be blamed directly for all this loss under his watch.
We are simply unable to defend in peace time imagine if there is a war.
FC is under Ministry of Interior and I am batman. We all know who has power and control of FC. So please.
 

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MRAPS still dont work
Hence lets use toyotas in just a few high risk areas

Why HIT
Why not buy it off the shelf

We havr no issues importing cheese and BMWs but cant procure 600 MRAPs at cost of 200m$ which probably will even be financed by turkey

Unless bajwas starts riding toyotas in balochistan FC will die
We need to run a chanda and collect 200m dollars just like bank fund so bajwa can buy somw from turkey

Last i check kenya can afford them

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Sheer incompetence and lack of empathy for cannon fodder FC jawans
Just get HIT to manufacture them via license, we spent more than that in tanks we'll probably never use. Probably could've bought a 1000 MRAPs with that amount of money.
Just don't get why a nation that build tanks frigates, submarines and fighter jets is so lethargic when it comes to MRAPs.
 

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Stop fabricating your Zion stuff clutch. Iran has only waged proxy war in areas where Shias are being attacked or oppressed. This is not the case in Pakistan, Pakistan has friendly relations with Iran.
Involvement of Iran should not be considered as a Shia-Sunni conflict.

Though Pakistani Government was/is always tried level best to have cordial relationship with Iran, but Iran was/is always doubting Pakistan's sincerity.

Obvious reasons:
1. Pakistan's relationship with SA and UAE.
2. Pakistan's relationship with US and NATO countries.
3. CPEC through Gwadar - direct competition with Chabahar.

Not only that, there were number of occasions where Iran openly stand against Pakistan. Recent Panjshir issue is one of the examples of Iranian out burst. Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav arrest in 2016 also revealed Iranian involvement in harbouring Indian terrorist cells and RAW agents on its soil. Similarly recent arrest of terrorist confirmed that suicide bomber who targeted the Chinese convoy in the vicinity of Gwadar came from Iran. Moreover, most of the terrorist activities including terrorist attack on Gwadar Luxury Hotel in 2019 was also carried out by the Iranian insurgents.

IMO, Pakistan and China need to force Iranian Government to stop covert insurgencies inside Pakistan, eradicate all terrorist camps located on their soil, arrest or eliminate any rough elements of insurgents (BLA, BLF, TTP, ISIS and ISKP elements) hiding inside Iran.

Even after these warnings, Iran continued these activities, then a strong collective offensive action be taken to root out all possible terrorist cells being operated from Iran.
 

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CJ Ifikhar Chaudry released 1700 hardcore terrorists, arrested by PA and FC. Later one or two of them did a suicide attack on Musharraf convoy. Judiciary is scared, they are only interested in property and real estate related cases.
Try them in military courts then.
 

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Just get HIT to manufacture them via license, we spent more than that in tanks we'll probably never use. Probably could've bought a 1000 MRAPs with that amount of money.
Just don't get why a nation that build tanks frigates, submarines and fighter jets is so lethargic when it comes to MRAPs.
U dont understand the urgency of the matter
They should have been ordered 15 years ago
 

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Did the worse COAS has already condemned the attack? When Army say hum jaano ko nazarana den gay, he actually means Gareeb foot soldiers be ready to die while we party in our DHA homes and send our kids to EU or America for their honeymoon with the money we earn with hard work of taking kick backs from defense budget.
Its unwise to blame the whole lot for the mistakes of a few.
 

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BLA kills FC so easily, as and when they want.
FC kills a few BLA terrorists with great trouble. Then they level the score and more within a week.
What a shame for Pakistan as a country.
A terrorist organisation is playing with the state for such a long time,.
Trouble is that same as TTP , the BLA has plenty of local support on ethnic and political grounds.
I have said it before..Only a tiny population of ethnic baloch people are very patriotic..Most are not..People who are killing FC in balochistan are ethnic baloch , not pashtun.
This is going on for 4 decades now. India got involved recently. This is purely an ethnic problem and should be seen as one. Blaming everything on India is a such trivial tactic of deflection.
 
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Dude, we need a reality check. We have internet and luxuries. Imagine our Baluch people living in Gawadar don't have drinking water, no school, and no shoes in their feet. What we are offering them for peace .. And right in front on there face and land.. others enjoying luxurious living and nice cars running on the highways... I always say, if you want to end this terrorism, govt departments need to be functional and these people need attention and provide basic needs.
Lol...You really are ignorant

Baloch terrorists who are actually killing FC are studying in top universities of Punjab and Sindh. They make the foot soldiers. It is the "educated" baloch youth that is involved in it. I personally know people in my university who are ethnic baloch and chant Pakistan murdabad slogans. It is not the destitute or poverty stuck baloch that is attacking FC. He is too busy earning pennies for his family.

It is actually the Range rover driving sardars and their educated minions in universities that are doing all the terrorists activities..

If poverty was really the reason...Tharparkar would have been terrorist hotbed. Have you ever seen people from tharparkar blowing themselves up
 

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Its unwise to blame the whole lot for the mistakes of a few.
True, but I am not blaming to the whole Army, only the leadership... which is a fair thing, if a institution is doing bad we blame the Top leadership, similar to that we blame the Ruling elite of Pakistan for its many ills, Our current COAS has lost its track after the extension period, because in last 2 years the attacks on FC/Army has increased drastically without no concrete action has been taken, Terrorists has used literally identical tactics to attack or ambushed the troops and yet not a single time we saw a different outcome, I am unable to understand that a country like Pakistan with a 600,000+ standing army, tanks, missiles , fighters are unable to field numbers of drone to in 2 of their province for Air cover? Burraq with burq missile was test way way back and yet we haven't saw it in action why? I understand its hard to stop ambush or IED but what we can do it to provide the troops better Armored vehicles, Air coverage with Drones, so at least even if they ambush the troop at least we can kill all those who come to attack, its really hurting to see videos of BLA and TTP literally standing on their dead bodies, taking their weapons with no fear of as QRF or drone.

Top leadership of FC/Army has failed to stop such attacks, and their consistencies are just increasing by the day.
 

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What a shame that we are not able to protect our Jawans. Why cant we provide them IED proof vehicles/ equipments.

Is that too much to ask????
 

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Its unwise to blame the whole lot for the mistakes of a few.
It is good to know that poverty runs rampant in Pakistan. Most of the awam is also illiterate and do not know the kind of casualties FC is suffering so no morale is affected.

Both of these factors will ensure unlimited supply of stupid men who will give their lives for nothing.Since the supply is unlimited , why would Bajwa and Co would do anything to better equip them.

Welcome to the meat grinder my stupid pakistani brothers.
 

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Our current COAS has lost its track after the extension period, because in last 2 years the attacks on FC/Army has increased drastically without no concrete action has been taken,
Top leadership of FC/Army has failed to stop such attacks, and their consistencies are just increasing by the day.
Agreed.....however, on a personal note, even i dont consider myself qualified to judge someone who is the COAS, because i cannot fathom the difficulties and threats he might be facing as COAS of an army like Pakistan's. It might seem easy, that if IEDs are on the rise, then provide MRAPS.....but there are so much inherent and allied problems with everything that quick solutions cannot be adopted...and that exactly what Hybrid Warfare is all about....stretch all around.
 

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Agreed.....however, on a personal note, even i dont consider myself qualified to judge someone who is the COAS, because i cannot fathom the difficulties and threats he might be facing as COAS of an army like Pakistan's. It might seem easy, that if IEDs are on the rise, then provide MRAPS.....but there are so much inherent and allied problems with everything that quick solutions cannot be adopted...and that exactly what Hybrid Warfare is all about....stretch all around.
Sir, that's the beauty of it although we are not qualified yet we are/can/will criticize the performance of leadership this is not a new thing, to criticize someone we don't have to be a COAS because if we were than we won't be criticizing in the first place, but the thing is if the consistencies of attacks are increasing with same pattern without any action has been taken to prevent them then yes people like us will raise question on the performance of the leadership, cause they are given this duty by the people of Pakistan, People pay taxes which goes to defense and it pays the salaries and other incentives COAS and Army leadership enjoys, so in return if we want performance, and criticize them for their poor performance its all a fair game.

my point it that in cases of ambushes, why is that our troops are so helpless that they can not even ask command for a quick Air cover, why is that Pakistan not building small forward drone operating bases, and identify the areas and categorize them into lower to higher level of threats? and based on that we can give our troops air cover when they are going for Patrols in high risk areas? Yes we can not provide many MRAPS, but why is it hard to give 1 MRAP to every patrol party and make it a SOP that in high risk areas any patrol that leaves from base, will always have a MRAP in the lead, followed by Toyota's. Sir its not hard, when there is a will there is a way, but unfortunately no one gives a Shit about foot soldiers in Pakistan as they are disposable because Top leadership don't go to front posts to fight, at least not anymore.
 

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