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Greek defence sites Ptisi and Naval Defence,some of the most reliable defence and military news websites in Greece,report that the Greek government is very close to signing a deal for 3 FDI HN frigates and 3 Gowind HN.

Let me google translate some parts:

"As we wrote yesterday, the Hellenic Navy is very close to a historic decision for the selection of 3 French FDI HN frigates (they differ from the French FDI as they are much more heavily armed). Thus, after 33 years, the Ministry of Defense is again in front of the market of main surface units, purchased according to its needs, new, and not used. The last time this was done was in 1988 with the purchase of MEKO200HN.

As we wrote yesterday, the Navy now, in one of the most rational decisions in its history, abandons the modernization plan of the MEKO200HN frigates, and is led to the purchase of new ships. So, we are talking about light corvettes Gowind HN, which should be "closed" as soon as possible. And in fact there is a thought that the final solution should include not 3 Gowind, but 3 + 1 option (as will be done with the 3 + 1 FDI).

However, the talks with the French are in progress, and the Greek side is moving at a "space" fast pace, as after so many years, the Navy knows exactly what it wants from a light frigate / corvette level ship. The French, obviously after the AUKUS course, are extremely cooperative, and try to meet the Greek requirements in full.


Maybe at some point we should thank our Australian friends for the "throwing" of the French a few days ago. The discounts are so great, that at the price that last summer we got 2 frigates, today we buy 3, with the same or higher armament (except maybe not necessary at this stage SCALP Naval), more and more complete FOS, and more benefits
in the Hellenic Navy."

 

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Arms race with the Turks?
Yes. We've been left behind when it comes to the Navy. We wanted to buy 6 FREMM in 2009,but then the economic crisis started and we changed it to 4 but the Germans didn't let us. The Turks had been making ships like crazy and we were left behind,even though we've been a naval people since ancient times. You can understand how vital a strong navy is for us,even if it's just for defence.
 
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Yes. We've been left behind when it comes to the Navy. We wanted to buy 6 FREMM in 2009,but then the economic crisis started and we changed it to 4 but the Germans didn't let us. The Turks had been making ships like crazy and we were left behind,even though we've been a naval people since ancient times. You can understand how vital a strong navy is for us,even if it's just for defence.
Sorry for Little off topic
Why does your media publish fake articles about Pakistan?they even don't know JF 17 and wrote full crap article on it.is it not shameful that someone even don't know you and you keep talking shit about him?
 

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Why does your media publish fake articles about Pakistan?they even don't know JF 17 and wrote full crap article on it.is it not shameful that someone even don't know you and you keep talking shit about him?
Which website? Can you link?

Greece cant challenge a military gigant like Turkey. Greece will never be a threat to Turkey. Turkey military ranks 11th worldwide. Greece is far behind at 29th place. It cant challenge the Turkish military.
We are not challenging anyone,we're only trying to defend our lands. Erdogan's AKP government and his MHP allies have been claiming most of our EEZ,demanding that we demilitarize the islands of Eastern Aegean and threatened with war if the Greek Cypriots drill in their EEZ without sharing their profits with Turkey and the TRNC.

The Turks outnumber us 3 to 1 or even 5 to 1 in some cases when it comes to equipment and manpower,yes. But our doctrine is about defence,not an invasion.

Egypt is probably the only country in the Eastern Mediterranean that has the military might to challenge the Turkish military.
And I believe Israel too,actually.

It is better that Greece spend this money at development.
And what if the Turks take an island? What's all that development going to do?

Turkey does not want war with Greece. No reason to spend so much money in a arms race that wont benefit you.... Be smart...
Unfortunately,Erdogan's policies ever since 2016 onwards and especially the last 3 years,have been of aggressive and mindless provocation and expansionism. You are supposed to be an Israeli,if I told you "Well the Arabs won't attack you anymore,just spend your money in development",would you agree to sell all those F-35s and F-15s and reduce the size of the tanks and ballistic missiles and reduce conscription to 6 months etc?

Turkey's acts the last 3 years not just against Greece,but also in Syria,Libya and the Caucasus,show that they want to expand. And when you have Erdogan making speeches with a map of his "Blue Homeland" doctrine in the back,that doesn't exactly send a message of good neighbor and friendship :P
 

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Egypt is probably the only country in the Eastern Mediterranean that has the military might to challenge the Turkish military.
Their performance against Israel doesn't really give me high hopes ...
And I believe Israel too,actually.
Nah man, Israel is effective against unorganized, tribalistic arabs. But, against Turkey it will be slaughter, if you put nukes and unconditional usa support aside. Israeli geography sucks, thats why they want to occupy as much land as possible...
 
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Pentapostagma is a religious site,about the Church,faith and Church news etc. It's not a defence website,they have no expertise. Don't take it seriously,people who know about military and defence stuff visit other websites 😉
You don't know what are indians doing with that article?From YouTube comment section to nearly every defence forum,they have posted that article to justify that JF 17 is a failure.
 

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You don't know what are indians doing with that article?From YouTube comment section to nearly every defence forum,they have posted that article to justify that JF 17 is a failure.
Is that how you Pakistanis know about this site? Because other guys here complained about it and I told them not to take it seriously. Indians will grab anything they can find and as you know,will often write fake stories and lies about something. Pentapostagma usually writes overenthusiastic articles that have little to no expertise. A friend of mine once said it's something like the "tabloid" of religious websites. At first they were primarily about religious matters.

Nah man, Israel is effective against unorganized, tribalistic arabs. But, against Turkey it will be slaughter, if you put nukes and unconditional usa support aside. Israeli geography sucks, thats why they want to occupy as much land as possible...
It's an interesting point,but the Turks have to get down there somehow. With landing craft? There will be a sea battle between the two navies. The Israeli Air Force will bomb their landing ships and the Turkish fleet in general. Will they come from land? Syria? They will have to fight the Syrians to get there. The biggest advantage of the Israelis is their Air Force. They have some of the best,if not the best,pilots in the world. F-16s,F-15s,F-35s,they produce some of the best drones and UAVs too.
 

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