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ISLAMABAD: The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) will meet on Monday to discuss and decide whether or not to keep Pakistan on the grey list, Dawn has learned from knowledgeable sources.

The virtual FATF plenary will be held in Paris from February 22 to 25 to consider cases of various countries on the grey list, including Pakistan, and decision will be made at the conclusion of the meetings.

In the last plenary held in October 2020, FATF had announced that Pakistan would continue to remain on its grey list till February 2021 for six out of 27 unmet action plan targets on anti-money laundering (AML) and combating the financing of terrorism (CFT).

An official source close to these developments told Dawn on Saturday that Pakistan had already complied with the six recommendations and also submitted details to the FATF secretariat. The members would now evaluate Pakistan’s responses during the meeting, the source said, adding that Pakistan had made significant progress in legislation as well as its implementation.

Pakistan had submitted a detailed response in October 2020 to FATF. Even then, it demanded more from Islamabad. It is too early to say if this time again FATF may ask for more actions or the existing ones will be enough to remove Pakistan from the grey list. However, the decision would be taken after a consensus among the members, the source said.

Younus Khan, a senior Pakistani journalist based in Paris, told Dawn on WhatsApp that some European countries, especially the host France, had recommended to FATF to continue to keep Pakistan on the grey list and had taken the position that not all points had been fully implemented by Islamabad. Other European countries are also supporting France.

Mr Khan, who regularly follows FATF meetings, said France was not happy with the recent response of Islamabad on the cartoon issue. Pakistan has not even posted a regular ambassador in Paris, he said, adding that diplomatic and economic relations between the two countries were not up to the mark.

The United States has also expressed concern over the acquittal of one of the accused in Daniel Pearl murder case. It is feared that the US may also lobby for continuation of Islamabad on the grey list at least until June this year.

An official, who is not willing to be quoted, told Dawn that Pakistan had submitted a compliance report to FATF. “We can’t say what will be their response to it; let’s wait for the day.”

The official said Pakistan had already done major legislation regarding punishment of terror financing, which was around one year in the old legislation. “We have extended this punishment to five years,” the official said, adding that recently courts had also sentenced people under the new law.

The laws were amended last year to make punishment proportionate to the crime as recommended by FATF.

According to the official, FATF has appreciated the steps taken by Pakistan which has largely complied with the demands of the global watchdog. FATF commended the steps taken by Pakistan and said that progress had been made in terms of money laundering and terror financing, but Islamabad would have to ensure full implementation at all points.

Pakistan was focusing on the implementation of all recently enacted laws to come out of the grey list of FATF. In the last plenary, two action plans given to Pakistan by the watchdog were the “most challenging and comprehensive” ever given to any country.

In 2020, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had got three laws — the Anti-Money Laundering (second amendment) Bill-2020, Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) (third amendment) Bill-2020 and Islamabad Capital Territory Waqf Properties Bill-2020 — passed in a joint sitting of parliament to fulfil the legal requirements of FATF.

In October 2020, Minister for Industries and Production Hammad Azhar, who is the government’s point man on FATF, announced that Pakistan had made progress across all action plan items and had now largely addressed 21 of the 27 action items.

When the minister was approached for comments on the implementation status of the remaining six recommendations, he said he would make no comment until the plenary was over and FATF published its statements. “There is a strict confidentiality rule,” he told Dawn via a WhatsApp message.

Background discussions with the relevant officials suggest that Pakistan is confident that it will come out of the grey list since it has taken action against various religious extremist parties and personalities and arrested and punished them. The accounts of various organisations have also been closed and people sentenced. All these actions were taken in the light of FATF’s recommendations.

FATF had placed Pakistan on the grey list in June 2018.


The writing is on the wall. Early signs suggest that it will be the same old politically motivated fest with all sided settling scores. Obviously the Western nations and their Indian cheerleader don't have the courage to put Pakistan on the blacklist. Pakistan will continue to live on the greylist.

Should Pakistan even attend such a moot? What is the point of attending a politically motivated conference where the outcome is already pre-determined by settling political scores? Should Pakistan hold itself hostage by attending such a pathetic moot?
 
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Pakistan should send a message, those who vote for Pakistan be put on black list should start packing their embassies in Pakistan, those who support Pakistan stay on grey list should only have minimum staff at their embassies....you must get tough, you let them bully you they will keep doing it.
 

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If they still keep us on the grey list then we're never getting off unless we become a client state of the US. We should restart armed support for Kashmiri and Khalistani militants since we'll be in some list either way. We should, along with China, get rid of India once and for all to send a message to the west.
 

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They wont take pakistan out of greylist .I think we should need to understand deeply there is a Allah Wisdom here.
 

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ISLAMABAD: The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) will meet on Monday to discuss and decide whether or not to keep Pakistan on the grey list, Dawn has learned from knowledgeable sources.

The virtual FATF plenary will be held in Paris from February 22 to 25 to consider cases of various countries on the grey list, including Pakistan, and decision will be made at the conclusion of the meetings.

In the last plenary held in October 2020, FATF had announced that Pakistan would continue to remain on its grey list till February 2021 for six out of 27 unmet action plan targets on anti-money laundering (AML) and combating the financing of terrorism (CFT).

An official source close to these developments told Dawn on Saturday that Pakistan had already complied with the six recommendations and also submitted details to the FATF secretariat. The members would now evaluate Pakistan’s responses during the meeting, the source said, adding that Pakistan had made significant progress in legislation as well as its implementation.

Pakistan had submitted a detailed response in October 2020 to FATF. Even then, it demanded more from Islamabad. It is too early to say if this time again FATF may ask for more actions or the existing ones will be enough to remove Pakistan from the grey list. However, the decision would be taken after a consensus among the members, the source said.

Younus Khan, a senior Pakistani journalist based in Paris, told Dawn on WhatsApp that some European countries, especially the host France, had recommended to FATF to continue to keep Pakistan on the grey list and had taken the position that not all points had been fully implemented by Islamabad. Other European countries are also supporting France.

Mr Khan, who regularly follows FATF meetings, said France was not happy with the recent response of Islamabad on the cartoon issue. Pakistan has not even posted a regular ambassador in Paris, he said, adding that diplomatic and economic relations between the two countries were not up to the mark.

The United States has also expressed concern over the acquittal of one of the accused in Daniel Pearl murder case. It is feared that the US may also lobby for continuation of Islamabad on the grey list at least until June this year.

An official, who is not willing to be quoted, told Dawn that Pakistan had submitted a compliance report to FATF. “We can’t say what will be their response to it; let’s wait for the day.”

The official said Pakistan had already done major legislation regarding punishment of terror financing, which was around one year in the old legislation. “We have extended this punishment to five years,” the official said, adding that recently courts had also sentenced people under the new law.

The laws were amended last year to make punishment proportionate to the crime as recommended by FATF.

According to the official, FATF has appreciated the steps taken by Pakistan which has largely complied with the demands of the global watchdog. FATF commended the steps taken by Pakistan and said that progress had been made in terms of money laundering and terror financing, but Islamabad would have to ensure full implementation at all points.

Pakistan was focusing on the implementation of all recently enacted laws to come out of the grey list of FATF. In the last plenary, two action plans given to Pakistan by the watchdog were the “most challenging and comprehensive” ever given to any country.

In 2020, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had got three laws — the Anti-Money Laundering (second amendment) Bill-2020, Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) (third amendment) Bill-2020 and Islamabad Capital Territory Waqf Properties Bill-2020 — passed in a joint sitting of parliament to fulfil the legal requirements of FATF.

In October 2020, Minister for Industries and Production Hammad Azhar, who is the government’s point man on FATF, announced that Pakistan had made progress across all action plan items and had now largely addressed 21 of the 27 action items.

When the minister was approached for comments on the implementation status of the remaining six recommendations, he said he would make no comment until the plenary was over and FATF published its statements. “There is a strict confidentiality rule,” he told Dawn via a WhatsApp message.

Background discussions with the relevant officials suggest that Pakistan is confident that it will come out of the grey list since it has taken action against various religious extremist parties and personalities and arrested and punished them. The accounts of various organisations have also been closed and people sentenced. All these actions were taken in the light of FATF’s recommendations.

FATF had placed Pakistan on the grey list in June 2018.


The writing is on the wall. Early signs suggest that it will be the same old politically motivated fest with all sided settling scores. Obviously the Western nations and their Indian cheerleader don't have the courage to put Pakistan on the blacklist. Pakistan will continue to live on the greylist.

Should Pakistan even attend such a moot? What is the point of attending a politically motivated conference where the outcome is already pre-determined by settling political scores? Should Pakistan hold itself hostage by attending such a pathetic moot?
Pakistan have to challenge this on International court and also claim economic lost from contries still putting her in Gray List even after compiling all points. Also show them list of contries in white list have less comply with Pakistan. It will killed all credibilites of FAFT. Next phase Pakistan asked all countries to pack their bags if they vote against Pakistan
 

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Pakistan have to challenge this on International court and also claim economic lost from contries still putting her in Gray List even after compiling all points. Also show them list of contries in white list have less comply with Pakistan. It will killed all credibilites of FAFT. Next phase Pakistan asked all countries to pack their bags if they vote against Pakistan
It sounds like the sensisble approach, countries like France should pay an economic price if they continue with these policies against Pakistan that have no foundation.

If they refuse to treat Pakistan fairly, then Pakistan must find ways of retaliating economically.. that is the only thing these countries listen to ..

Pakistan must find ways of imposing economic costs to countries like France, eg pass legislation in its parliment declaring french actions are in support of terrorism, and basically prohibit the abilitity of french exporters to export to Pakistan, eg .... there does not need to be any logic or rationale for the sanctions, simply pass the law and execute them..

If Pakistan cannot retaliate, then there is no reason for any country to listen to Pakistan, all they need to do is dish it out to Pakistan. The root of Pakistans problems are its approach to foreign policy passiveness against countries that look to harm it economically..
 
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I couldn't agree more. What is the point of having diplomatic enclaves from countries that backstab us at every opportunity? They are only in Pakistan to support seperatist movements, illegal NGOs and spy on our nuclear assets. Break diplomatic relations with every single nation that opposes Pakistan. Even if that means breaking relations with 90% of the FATF voters. Pakistan is allowing itself to become hostage. We don't have to bow for every single demand. These Western nations are following the Indian agenda. They mean harm to Pakistan. If Pakistan won't protect itself no one will. For once the pathetic leaders of this country need to show spine and protect Pakistan's interest. Even if that means breaking meaningless relationships.

LOL at France. What relationship do we have with this backstabbing nation? Any of the European nations voting against Pakistan need a similar treatment. Simply break relations. There is no point in having any kind of relationship with nations that mean economic harm to Pakistan.
 
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It sounds like the sensisble approach, countries like France should pay an economic price if they continue with these policies against Pakistan that have no foundation.

If they refuse to treat Pakistan fairly, then Pakistan must find ways of retaliating economically.. that is the only thing these countries listen to ..

Pakistan must find ways of imposing economic costs to countries like France, eg pass legislation in its parliment declaring french actions are in support of terrorism, and basically prohibit the abilitity of french exporters to export to Pakistan, eg .... there does not need to be any logic or rationale for the sanctions, simply pass the law and execute them..

If Pakistan cannot retaliate, then there is no reason for any country to listen to Pakistan, all they need to do is dish it out to Pakistan. The root of Pakistans problems are its approach to foreign policy passiveness against countries that look to harm it economically..
We barely have trade or economic relations with France.

You want to hurt France? Tell their diplomatic staff to pack their bags and leave Pakistan. We know why France is keeping its diplomatic enclave in Pakistan despite all the hatred against Pakistan. Also remove your own diplomatic staff from France. Do the same to all other European nations that are behaving in such a manner. Include UK and Germany. Trust me. They will change their behavior in a minute.

If you want to take it one step further block their supplies in Afghanistan. Remember that all US/NATO supplies still pass through Pakistan. Why the heck should Pakistan allow supplies to pass its soil to nations that are plotting and harming our interests? Insanity.
 
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ISLAMABAD: The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) will meet on Monday to discuss and decide whether or not to keep Pakistan on the grey list, Dawn has learned from knowledgeable sources.

The virtual FATF plenary will be held in Paris from February 22 to 25 to consider cases of various countries on the grey list, including Pakistan, and decision will be made at the conclusion of the meetings.

In the last plenary held in October 2020, FATF had announced that Pakistan would continue to remain on its grey list till February 2021 for six out of 27 unmet action plan targets on anti-money laundering (AML) and combating the financing of terrorism (CFT).

An official source close to these developments told Dawn on Saturday that Pakistan had already complied with the six recommendations and also submitted details to the FATF secretariat. The members would now evaluate Pakistan’s responses during the meeting, the source said, adding that Pakistan had made significant progress in legislation as well as its implementation.

Pakistan had submitted a detailed response in October 2020 to FATF. Even then, it demanded more from Islamabad. It is too early to say if this time again FATF may ask for more actions or the existing ones will be enough to remove Pakistan from the grey list. However, the decision would be taken after a consensus among the members, the source said.

Younus Khan, a senior Pakistani journalist based in Paris, told Dawn on WhatsApp that some European countries, especially the host France, had recommended to FATF to continue to keep Pakistan on the grey list and had taken the position that not all points had been fully implemented by Islamabad. Other European countries are also supporting France.

Mr Khan, who regularly follows FATF meetings, said France was not happy with the recent response of Islamabad on the cartoon issue. Pakistan has not even posted a regular ambassador in Paris, he said, adding that diplomatic and economic relations between the two countries were not up to the mark.

The United States has also expressed concern over the acquittal of one of the accused in Daniel Pearl murder case. It is feared that the US may also lobby for continuation of Islamabad on the grey list at least until June this year.

An official, who is not willing to be quoted, told Dawn that Pakistan had submitted a compliance report to FATF. “We can’t say what will be their response to it; let’s wait for the day.”

The official said Pakistan had already done major legislation regarding punishment of terror financing, which was around one year in the old legislation. “We have extended this punishment to five years,” the official said, adding that recently courts had also sentenced people under the new law.

The laws were amended last year to make punishment proportionate to the crime as recommended by FATF.

According to the official, FATF has appreciated the steps taken by Pakistan which has largely complied with the demands of the global watchdog. FATF commended the steps taken by Pakistan and said that progress had been made in terms of money laundering and terror financing, but Islamabad would have to ensure full implementation at all points.

Pakistan was focusing on the implementation of all recently enacted laws to come out of the grey list of FATF. In the last plenary, two action plans given to Pakistan by the watchdog were the “most challenging and comprehensive” ever given to any country.

In 2020, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had got three laws — the Anti-Money Laundering (second amendment) Bill-2020, Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) (third amendment) Bill-2020 and Islamabad Capital Territory Waqf Properties Bill-2020 — passed in a joint sitting of parliament to fulfil the legal requirements of FATF.

In October 2020, Minister for Industries and Production Hammad Azhar, who is the government’s point man on FATF, announced that Pakistan had made progress across all action plan items and had now largely addressed 21 of the 27 action items.

When the minister was approached for comments on the implementation status of the remaining six recommendations, he said he would make no comment until the plenary was over and FATF published its statements. “There is a strict confidentiality rule,” he told Dawn via a WhatsApp message.

Background discussions with the relevant officials suggest that Pakistan is confident that it will come out of the grey list since it has taken action against various religious extremist parties and personalities and arrested and punished them. The accounts of various organisations have also been closed and people sentenced. All these actions were taken in the light of FATF’s recommendations.

FATF had placed Pakistan on the grey list in June 2018.


The writing is on the wall. Early signs suggest that it will be the same old politically motivated fest with all sided settling scores. Obviously the Western nations and their Indian cheerleader don't have the courage to put Pakistan on the blacklist. Pakistan will continue to live on the greylist.

Should Pakistan even attend such a moot? What is the point of attending a politically motivated conference where the outcome is already pre-determined by settling political scores? Should Pakistan hold itself hostage by attending such a pathetic moot?
Pakistan should give 10 Nukes to Erdogan, so he could bully French fries and Marcon along with Europeon begger Greece.
 

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Pakistan should give 10 Nukes to Erdogan, so he could bully French fries and Marcon along with Europeon begger Greece.
A lot can be done, but realistically Pakistan needs to start speaking directly to nations that are politicising this matter at the behest of India. In no uncertain terms should Pakistan make it very clear that it won't tolerate this bullying anymore. The politically motivated bullying should have consequences.
 

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A lot can be done, but realistically Pakistan needs to start speaking directly to nations that are politicising this matter at the behest of India. In no uncertain terms should Pakistan make it very clear that it won't tolerate this bullying anymore. The politically motivated bullying should have consequences.
Time has come for our political and military leadership to step up their game and face these hyenas head on and say no more, we will follow your stupid terms and blackmailing. Cut the head of Snake now. We have the Bear, Dragon and Erdogan in bag. Let them bully Europe and the EX-Superpawa. Pakistan has toys in Afghanistan which can cause havoc on those remaining Nato lackies.
 

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It sounds like the sensisble approach, countries like France should pay an economic price if they continue with these policies against Pakistan that have no foundation.

If they refuse to treat Pakistan fairly, then Pakistan must find ways of retaliating economically.. that is the only thing these countries listen to ..

Pakistan must find ways of imposing economic costs to countries like France, eg pass legislation in its parliment declaring french actions are in support of terrorism, and basically prohibit the abilitity of french exporters to export to Pakistan, eg .... there does not need to be any logic or rationale for the sanctions, simply pass the law and execute them..

If Pakistan cannot retaliate, then there is no reason for any country to listen to Pakistan, all they need to do is dish it out to Pakistan. The root of Pakistans problems are its approach to foreign policy passiveness against countries that look to harm it economically..
Some kind of legislation against hostile countries needs to be brought in. Maybe something like a ranked system for how each country is treated based on current relations.

For example the US could be tier 1 and have American NGO's severely restricted in the country, but France would be tier 5 so all French origin products banned in the country.

Its a lot easier and less headline worthy bringing in specific sanctions against each country through parliament, and far more effective than doing nothing.
 

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Everything on the international scape is political. That includes UN, World Bank, IMF, FATF you name it. Who told you any of these are apolitical organizations. They are only as good as their member countries. And they will vote acording to their interests.

This is where Pakistan will get fcuked for playing the religion card. Was it really neccessary for Pakistan to clash with France? Macron will get his chance now to bite back.
 

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"Pakistan is only partner in peace"... PMIK.

Since Biden admin is looking for another round of war in Afghanistan, which will rule out Pakistani cooperation, meaning no ground or air corridors support to American/private contractors/Nato forces. Rest will be done by Taliban. Trump will make plenty of noise back home at Biden "failure" to scuttle Afghan peace which he achieved. So first time , actions in Afghanistan have got both external and internal implications for incumbent administration.

If American deep state thinks blackmailing Pakistan on FATF is an easy option, they are only fooling themselves.

India is just a cheerleader for America/west. I would request Pakistanis to ignore the noise they make. It's a bigger game, much bigger.
 

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