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The point is that, contrary to the assertions in the DAWN article, Imran Khan arrived in Moscow BEFORE Russian invasion of Ukraine. Whether by a few hours or whatever, before is before.

US warnings about may be, could be, would be are irrelevant.

So much for the "sources" of DAWN, who don't have even common knowledge, which ever Tom, Dick or Harry has.

Fact is that the conspiracy to oust IK was lodged in or around August 2021. First step was to replace the DG(ISI), without his consent/consultation. After that, everything started rolling, as desired by US and the Establishment.
 

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Toh bhai 250 kardo. Literally so easy for you to say this shit.

Btw your charming gave petrol subsidy too. So cut with the bullshit.

It is easy for me to say this, because I am not responsible for the economic mess of Pakistan. People like you are. Now people like you must pay the price. You do not live within your means, you expect the state to borrow and subsidise your lifestyles and you expect someone else to foot the bill.

If Rs is at 250 and you cannot afford to buy something - don't buy it. Don't expect the government to borrow money to artificially inflate the price of PKR, just so you can have cheese and nuttella at a price you can afford.

Check the threads about the petrol subsidy, i opposed that too. Nobody deserves a subsidy.
 

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Fact is that the conspiracy to oust IK was lodged in or around August 2021. First step was to replace the DG(ISI), without his consent/consultation. After that, everything started rolling, as desired by US and the Establishment.

US establishment was always against Imran Khan from day one because of his vocal stance against drone strikes and insistence on an independent foreign policy. Trump was anti-establishment and had a good personal rapport with Imran Khan, but Biden is an establishment stooge through and through.
 

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WASHINGTON: The conversation that set off the so-called ‘Lettergate’ scandal took place on March 7 at a farewell lunch for the then Pakistan ambassador Asad Majeed Khan at his residence, which is also known as Pakistan House.

Diplomatic and official sources, who spoke to Dawn, said that although it was lunch, a note-taker also attended the meeting. The cable that Ambassador Khan later sent to Islamabad was based on the notes taken by the note-taker, who was also from the Pakistan Embassy.

US officials who attended the lunch included US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu and Deputy Assistant Secretary Lesslie C Viguerie. The Pakistani side comprised Deputy Chief of Mission Syed Naveed Bokhari and the defence attaché.

Since the March 7 lunch-meeting was held less than two weeks after the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the invasion dominated the conversation. The sources said the US side expressed its ‘disappointment’ with Pakistan’s decision to send its prime minister, Imran Khan, to Moscow the day Russia invaded Ukraine.


“They pointed out how the invasion had angered the entire American nation and explained why they thought Mr Khan should have postponed his visit,” one of the sources said.

Another source said Mr Lu hinted that “Washington believes the final decision to go ahead with the visit despite the invasion was that of Imran Khan” although some Pakistani officials had suggested postponing it.

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Ambassador Khan, according to these sources, argued that it was a collective decision and that Pakistan had been trying for a Moscow visit for years. And when the invitation came, they could not turn it down or postpone it.

The Americans, however, argued that Islamabad should have also “considered Washington’s sensitiveness” on this issue before going ahead with the visit.

The sources said the conversation then drifted to the current political environment in Pakistan, and Mr Lu pointed out that Washington was keenly watching the situation and the outcome of the no-trust move against the then prime minister would impact US-Pakistan relations as well.

One source claimed Mr Lu’s arguments were “alarming and far from routine”, but he did not threaten a regime-change. The source also claimed that no one attending the meeting felt that the Americans were hatching a conspiracy to topple the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government. “No, there’s no conspiracy. Nobody got that impression,” the source added. “But they did say the outcome will impact bilateral ties, which can be interpreted either way.”

The sources said the Americans never concealed “their disappointment” with Pakistan over Mr Khan’s Moscow visit. They claimed that Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had planned to visit Washington in April, but postponed it after learning how the Americans felt about Ukraine.


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“I never thought it was a US conspiracy, but it triggered certain reactions that impacted the domestic political situation in Pakistan,” another source said. “What Mr Lu said reflected what the Biden administration feels and thinks. It was very unusual. Not one bit routine.”

The source claimed that the defence attaché’s presence in the lunch-meeting, and his earlier engagement with US officials on the Ukraine issue, explained why Gen Bajwa’s comments on Ukraine “marked a significant departure” from Imran Khan’s policies on this issue.

Former prime minister Khan argued that Pakistan made a mistake by joining the West during the Cold War, it should remain neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and refused to condemn Moscow’s invasion.

Addressing a seminar in Islamabad on April 2, Gen Bajwa had slammed Russia’s military attack on Ukraine, calling for immediate cessation of what he described as a “huge tragedy” inflicted on a smaller country.

On Thursday, the military’s media wing — ISPR — also dismissed Imran Khan’s allegations of a US conspiracy, although it acknowledged that Washington had used language in the lunch-meeting that amounted to interference in Pakistani affairs.

The ISPR chief pointed out the National Security Council’s meeting on this issue expressed “grave concern” at the communication from Washington, but did not use the word ‘conspiracy’.

On April 8, in his last address to the nation as prime minister, Mr. Khan reiterated his allegations that a senior US diplomat threatened a regime-change in Pakistan.

In another statement, Mr Khan also named the official — Donald Lu — who allegedly made that threat during a meeting with Ambassador Khan.

On April 10, while commenting on Mr. Khan’s claim, a US State Department spokesperson Jalina Porter said: “Let me just say very bluntly there is absolutely no truth to these allegations.”

which country will accept that it has sponsored a regime change in another country or supports it. Only Biden speaks such words. I dont give a damn what these american or our politicians say, the outcome is in front of us. The way it all happened is infornt of us. If it smeels like poop, n it looks like poop we dont have to taste it to be sure it is poop!!! It is a regime change, PERIOD!!!!
 

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which country will accept that it has sponsored a regime change in another country or supports it. Only Biden speaks such words. I dont give a damn what these american or our politicians say, the outcome is in front of us. The way it all happened is infornt of us. If it smeels like poop, n it looks like poop we dont have to taste it to be sure it is poop!!! It is a regime change, PERIOD!!!!

It not only looks and smells like a poop; it also has exit from the place, from where normally poop exits. :lol:

So, it is surely poop.
 

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I honestly want to know how IK government will deal with the west when it comes into power again?

US and europe are our biggest trade partners.

We are dependent on IMF and if they don't give a bailout we'll default.
Our relationship with the gulf is strained.

IK government pathetically failed to improve the country’s economy.

Shaukat tareen saying we didn't have a plan when we came into power. What assurity do we have that they have a plan now?

We can't refine ural crude and no wants to trade in rupee( curreny that loses it's value daily).

Like it's beyond understanding on why people support him. PDM sucks massively but IK isn't any different.

Pls don't quote corruption, corruption under IK increased massively.

Honesty ka achar bantna hai when the guy is stubborn and massively incompetent.

You are speaking too much truth here! However, I don't think PTI govt was more corrupt then the previous govts. It inherited a terrible economy and then the Covid pandemic also damaged the Pakistani economy. Overall, I had a sense of satisfaction Pakistan going forward. I wished Imran had more support in the parliament so that he wouldn't have to keep pleasing his allies to stay in power.
And, NO, I am not getting some 'software update'. I support what should be supported and condemn what needs to be condemned. My posts have been clear before the NCM and after the NCM along those lines. Some members shouting here won't matter to me.
 

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