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Ryan Ding, the head of Huawei's carrier business, has tipped a bucket of ice water on China's 5G.

China might have the world's biggest rollout and the largest number of customers, but compared to other countries – in particular South Korea – he says China's 5G is "fake, dumb and poor."



Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.  (Source: Huawei)
Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.
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"China's 5G still has a gap in user experience, coverage and creating commercial closed-loop," he told a China industry event on Wednesday, Sina Tech website reported.

Ding said the average downlink rate on South Korean networks is more than 600 Mbit/s, compared to 270 Mbit/s in China, while at end-September 5G penetration was 25% in South Korea and 8% in China.

He said 5G is starting to power growth in revenue and profit for the South Korean operators, yet Chinese telcos have so far seen zero return from their massive investments.

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Ding acknowledged that the just-completed first phase of 5G is "a great improvement over the 4G experience," but China's 5G still had many problems.

"To put it in three simple words, it's fake, dumb and poor."

In many cases the user's phone has a 5G logo but no 5G coverage, he said. "The experience is still 4G, but the display is 5G. They are not connected to the 5G network and can't make 5G calls."

Additionally, users might have 5G coverage, but happen to be on the edge of multiple cells, leading to frequent handover between 4G and 5G and very poor user experience.

Ding said although the number of 5G users in China had reached 150 million, according to operator subscriber totals, many of these were using 5G packages with 4G phones.


"There are also many users who have 5G mobile phones, but there is no 5G coverage on the network."

He said operators face escalating operating costs, in particular the energy cost.

5G equipment will greatly increase the power consumption of basestations, but according to a Huawei survey of operator networks, about 32% of cellsites had insufficient power.

Ding's remarks are a contrast to the usual congratulatory public discussion on 5G, where officials and execs cite raw numbers of basestations and subs totals as markers of success.

He urged operators to build out 5G business ecosystems through innovative and differentiated applications.

He said they also need to slash expenditure and optimize TCO and restructure their IT platforms to accommodate a massive increase in load in the next two to three years.
 
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American has no self criticism. They will always think they are best (even its far from reality) and world number 1 forever. I hope american can be continue as dumb as possible. :enjoy:
Hahaha, a Chinese lecturing Americans on self criticism . Seriously the joke of the century. Enter this on the yearly contest , you have a winner.
 

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Ryan Ding, the head of Huawei's carrier business, has tipped a bucket of ice water on China's 5G.

China might have the world's biggest rollout and the largest number of customers, but compared to other countries – in particular South Korea – he says China's 5G is "fake, dumb and poor."



Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.  (Source: Huawei)'s Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.  (Source: Huawei)
Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.
(Source: Huawei)​


"China's 5G still has a gap in user experience, coverage and creating commercial closed-loop," he told a China industry event on Wednesday, Sina Tech website reported.

Ding said the average downlink rate on South Korean networks is more than 600 Mbit/s, compared to 270 Mbit/s in China, while at end-September 5G penetration was 25% in South Korea and 8% in China.

He said 5G is starting to power growth in revenue and profit for the South Korean operators, yet Chinese telcos have so far seen zero return from their massive investments.

Say what you mean

Ding acknowledged that the just-completed first phase of 5G is "a great improvement over the 4G experience," but China's 5G still had many problems.

"To put it in three simple words, it's fake, dumb and poor."

In many cases the user's phone has a 5G logo but no 5G coverage, he said. "The experience is still 4G, but the display is 5G. They are not connected to the 5G network and can't make 5G calls."

Additionally, users might have 5G coverage, but happen to be on the edge of multiple cells, leading to frequent handover between 4G and 5G and very poor user experience.

Ding said although the number of 5G users in China had reached 150 million, according to operator subscriber totals, many of these were using 5G packages with 4G phones.


"There are also many users who have 5G mobile phones, but there is no 5G coverage on the network."

He said operators face escalating operating costs, in particular the energy cost.

5G equipment will greatly increase the power consumption of basestations, but according to a Huawei survey of operator networks, about 32% of cellsites had insufficient power.

Ding's remarks are a contrast to the usual congratulatory public discussion on 5G, where officials and execs cite raw numbers of basestations and subs totals as markers of success.

He urged operators to build out 5G business ecosystems through innovative and differentiated applications.

He said they also need to slash expenditure and optimize TCO and restructure their IT platforms to accommodate a massive increase in load in the next two to three years.
270 MB/s is 10x faster than US "5G" service.


"But even at its fastest download speeds (28.8 Mbps) AT&T’s 5G E placed third out of the four carriers, with Verizon coming in first, T-Mobile in second, and Sprint in last."

AT&T is also refusing to remove the 5G logo despite being 10x slower than Chinese 5G.


I think they're also comparing Korean mm-wave to Chinese sub-6 GHz which is not a fair comparison.

But this is his job. His job is to provoke Chinese telcos into giving him even more money.

It's like how US tries to say it has a weakening military and needs even more defense budget spending.
 

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270 MB/s is 10x faster than US "5G" service.


"But even at its fastest download speeds (28.8 Mbps) AT&T’s 5G E placed third out of the four carriers, with Verizon coming in first, T-Mobile in second, and Sprint in last."

AT&T is also refusing to remove the 5G logo despite being 10x slower than Chinese 5G.


I think they're also comparing Korean mm-wave to Chinese sub-6 GHz which is not a fair comparison.

But this is his job. His job is to provoke Chinese telcos into giving him even more money.

It's like how US tries to say it has a weakening military and needs even more defense budget spending.
Comparison was with korea , where did usa come in ?
Ever occurred to you that china might not be the bestest in everything ? And your daddy might not be the strongest ?
Frankly 270 mbps is more than enough for a average consumer. Speeds are more hampered atm by server and site speeds.
 

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Surely this is anti-china conspiracy to screw the motherland of 5G glory. Nothing to do with Chinese boasting about 5G. China always have best- like this land rover.

 

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Comparison was with korea , where did usa come in ?
Ever occurred to you that china might not be the bestest in everything ? And your daddy might not be the strongest ?
Frankly 270 mbps is more than enough for a average consumer. Speeds are more hampered atm by server and site speeds.
I believe Samsung uses mm-wave, not sub 6 GHz. its totally different tech. mm-wave is faster but far more expensive due to poor range and not being able to go through walls.

It is totally uncomparable. It is like saying, a formula 1 race car is better than a Toyota Corolla. True if you only care about speed. But the formula 1 car also is far less fuel efficient, far less maintainable, far more expensive.
 

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"But even at its fastest download speeds (28.8 Mbps) AT&T’s 5G E placed
Oh LOL! How completely stupid can you be??? Do you ever use your brain? :rolleyes1:

5G E is not AT&T's 5G system. It is their enhanced 4G system released in late 2018 taking advantage of some of their 5G breakthroughs. Why are you trying to make it look like it is their 5G system?



What is 5GE?

5GE, or 5G Evolution, is merely AT&T's name for its latest and greatest iteration of LTE, which utilizes specific technologies, like 256 QAM, 3-way carrier aggregation and 4X4 MIMO that will play a role in 5G's ultimate development. 5GE is available in 400 markets and counting.

That said, 5GE in all practical terms does not deliver an experience that is ostensibly different from what's already available with 4G LTE. In fact, other carriers like Verizon and T-Mobile already have it too, have for years and simply call it LTE Advanced.
 
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Ryan Ding, the head of Huawei's carrier business, has tipped a bucket of ice water on China's 5G.

China might have the world's biggest rollout and the largest number of customers, but compared to other countries – in particular South Korea – he says China's 5G is "fake, dumb and poor."



Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.  (Source: Huawei)'s Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.  (Source: Huawei)
Huawei's Ryan Ding is scathing about China's much lauded 5G rollout.
(Source: Huawei)​


"China's 5G still has a gap in user experience, coverage and creating commercial closed-loop," he told a China industry event on Wednesday, Sina Tech website reported.

Ding said the average downlink rate on South Korean networks is more than 600 Mbit/s, compared to 270 Mbit/s in China, while at end-September 5G penetration was 25% in South Korea and 8% in China.

He said 5G is starting to power growth in revenue and profit for the South Korean operators, yet Chinese telcos have so far seen zero return from their massive investments.

Say what you mean

Ding acknowledged that the just-completed first phase of 5G is "a great improvement over the 4G experience," but China's 5G still had many problems.

"To put it in three simple words, it's fake, dumb and poor."

In many cases the user's phone has a 5G logo but no 5G coverage, he said. "The experience is still 4G, but the display is 5G. They are not connected to the 5G network and can't make 5G calls."

Additionally, users might have 5G coverage, but happen to be on the edge of multiple cells, leading to frequent handover between 4G and 5G and very poor user experience.

Ding said although the number of 5G users in China had reached 150 million, according to operator subscriber totals, many of these were using 5G packages with 4G phones.


"There are also many users who have 5G mobile phones, but there is no 5G coverage on the network."

He said operators face escalating operating costs, in particular the energy cost.

5G equipment will greatly increase the power consumption of basestations, but according to a Huawei survey of operator networks, about 32% of cellsites had insufficient power.

Ding's remarks are a contrast to the usual congratulatory public discussion on 5G, where officials and execs cite raw numbers of basestations and subs totals as markers of success.

He urged operators to build out 5G business ecosystems through innovative and differentiated applications.

He said they also need to slash expenditure and optimize TCO and restructure their IT platforms to accommodate a massive increase in load in the next two to three years.
So they are comparing coverage of vast china with tiny south korea ... China coverage will take time as it has huge land area and places like tibet as well.

Anyways this is not about equipment but the existence implementation of structure.

5G is still at infancy in developed of the world so this is a issue raised by mobile manufacturer to mobile service provider which is understandable.
 

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Oh LOL! How completely stupid can you be??? Do you ever use your brain?

5G E is not AT&T's 5G system. It is their enhanced 4G system released in late 2018 taking advantage of some of their 5G breakthroughs. Why are you trying to make it look like it is their 5G system.
sure it is. you can say whatever you want just like US pandemic response #1. but that's not what the data in September 2020 says.


" Another firm, Opensignal, said the average 5G phone download speed in the United States between May and August was 76 percent faster than a 4G phone download. But the overall download speed experience of Americans with 5G phones was just 33 Mbps, the second-slowest in the world. "

33 vs. 28 MB/s, big difference. tremendous difference. biggest difference in the world.
 

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China has built 500,000 5G base stations, accounting for 8% of the total number of base stations, with an average network connection speed of 370M.
The United States has already built 20,000 5G base stations, so...
Can anyone tell me why this American is so excited? Does he think the United States has surpassed China?
 

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So they are comparing coverage of vast china with tiny south korea ... China coverage will take time as it has huge land area and places like tibet as well.

Anyways this is not about equipment but the existence implementation of structure.

5G is still at infancy in developed of the world so this is a issue raised by mobile manufacturer to mobile service provider which is understandable.
They haven't covered all of China yet. They just finished their first city, Shenzhen, in late August.
 

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