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F-35 racked up a 28:1 kill ratio at recent Red Flag exercises

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Loooo yet you ran from Afghanistan. 1.5 trillion spent and not a hospital road or school to show for it. Those you call rag heads whooped you. Vietnam was a great victory. Korea another victory. Iraq another victory.
Israel runs your every establishment. Humiliates your presidents and you cannot even say boo. In the words of Ariel Sharon ' we the Jews run America and the Americans know it's
You live on borrowed money...so much debt that you can never repay it.

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This is emotional ranting. American "loss" in Afghanistan was everything except a military defeat. Militarily, US forces did not lose. While US hard power is not fungible, and hence it can not achieve the desired outcomes on its own in every case (Afghanistan/Vietnam, for example), it is still unbeatable on the battlefield nevertheless. Unbeatable by Chinese and Russians, that is (because the rest of the world is not even in the conversation here).
 

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This is emotional ranting. American "loss" in Afghanistan was everything except a military defeat. Militarily, US forces did not lose. While US hard power is not fungible, and hence it can not achieve the desired outcomes on its own in every case (Afghanistan/Vietnam, for example), it is still unbeatable on the battlefield nevertheless. Unbeatable by Chinese and Russians, that is (because the rest of the world is not even in the conversation here).
Man wrap it how you like for you ego. Reality is wars are not just military clashes. If that was the case why put nations on embargo. Weaken them and then attack them. Fact is your hero's got they asses handed to them. As Pakistan military said the American just stay in bases and when the venture out its huge convoys with massive air cover and still they get attacked. So when yiu say they won militarily....what goals did they achieve??

1. Did they destroy taliban...no
2. Did they empower women ...no
3. Did they build the economy...no
4. Did they build roads schools and hospitals...no
5. Where did the 1.5 trillion dollars go?

Lie after lie after lie. Like WMD IN IRAQ.
 

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Viva la revolución!!!! American generals are calling the F-35 useless and aussies are talking about helping them reinstate the F-22 production line. Thank God I was not part of this dumb revolution :D

‘Useless’ Joint Strike Fighter jets set to be purchased by Australia (msn.com)

When I was arguing on this in 2019, it had been two years since the Aussie government knew for a fact that the F-35 was useless. You used your professional prestige, your relevant experience, and your title on the forum to propagate a lie and you were supported throughout by @LeGenD. This should be an eye opener for the rest of the forum how you are peddling propaganda to create a false image of American superiority. You use people's lack of knowledge as a weakness to exploit and create illusions of American power. Shame on you.
What is the purpose of this post? What USAF wants for itself, is subjective theme.

1. F-22A Raptor was/is the most expensive jet fighter ever produced. When Cold War concluded with split of USSR, Americans decided not to mass produce this jet fighter.

2. F-35 program was launched to make 5th generation technologies affordable by virtue of mass collaboration and production.

3. F-22A Raptor will be replaced by NGAF in 2030s. Americans have already tested a prototype but relevant information is classified.

Back to my question above.

As Pakistan military said the American just stay in bases and when the venture out its huge convoys with massive air cover and still they get attacked. So when yiu say they won militarily....what goals did they achieve??

1. Did they destroy taliban...no
2. Did they empower women ...no
3. Did they build the economy...no
4. Did they build roads schools and hospitals...no
5. Where did the 1.5 trillion dollars go?

Lie after lie after lie. Like WMD IN IRAQ.
No need to flamebait him.

This war was about Al-Qaeda Network in large part which is done and dusted. Afghan Taliban were ousted from power but not declared terrorists.

Afghan Taliban are not equipped to fight US-led forces out in the open. Whenever clashes of the sort occurred, Afghan Taliban suffered heavy losses and had to retreat. Afghan Taliban adopted asymmetric tactics to challenge US-led forces instead.

USA does not have direct access to Afghanistan but through Pakistan. Pakistan could influence course of this war and is to be credited for saving Afghan Taliban. You are giving too much credit to Afghan Taliban instead. Give credit to Khan administration for showing Americans the door.

Is Afghanistan even worth boasting about either way? A mere husk which is trampled by others time and again. A country which is able to defeat enemy at the gates or on the borders - this is worth boasting.
 

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Last time I checked, F-35 only has 4 hardpoints. How can it kill more planes than it has missiles?
in actual combat this can be accomplished with cooperative target engagement. In simulated combat, persistent target lock is considered a kill and virtual munitions regenerate.
 

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in actual combat this can be accomplished with cooperative target engagement. In simulated combat, persistent target lock is considered a kill and virtual munitions regenerate.
Real missiles don't regenerate
 

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Not surprising, the best active and passive sensors in the world, with the most complex and powerful mission computers, along with a very stealthy airframe, and other doohickeys to improve situational awareness and degrade the enemy's. I think the Chinese also found similar results when they pitted even half baked J-20s against other aircraft, they stomped the prev. gen.
 

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yes and water is wet. Red flag is about large force coordinated engagement and tactics it’s not a shooting match. In Red flag enemies and missiles regenerate.
Large force coordinated engagement without attrition? How does that work?
 

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Large force coordinated engagement without attrition? How does that work?
The aggressors regenerate, blue air does not. How does it work? Depends on the battlefield scenario they are trying to simulate. Sometime they regenerate immediately, sometimes they are bound by rules to disengage and return after a predefined interval.

 
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The aggressors regenerate, blue air does not. How does it work? Depends on the battlefield scenario they are trying to simulate. Sometime they regenerate immediately, sometimes they are bound by rules to disengage and return after a predefined interval.

NATO militaries have strange training practices
 

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Didnt America say f35 was rubbish and f16 were outdoing it in combat. Didnt they say war on terror is won and war in Iraq was won. This is psychological war and everyone believes it here. It probably does has a good kill ratio but not as much as they make out
Hi,

WOT is won---the americans have destroyed all but 3 major muslim nations.

The american defense industry has grown by leaps and bounds----.

The setup of private security conducting war is fearful.

And if you believe that the F35 is being outdone by the F16---you don't need to put it on your innocent understanding---it is something else.

You do not seem to comprehend the monstrosity behind the psychological warfare.

Be grateful that it is not your nation under attack---be very grateful to gen Musharraf.
 

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It is 100:1 for F22. That is why they are fifth generation plane. China had done the same excercise using J20. It had scored 3.5: 1. The thread is on PDF.
 

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Not surprising, the best active and passive sensors in the world, with the most complex and powerful mission computers, along with a very stealthy airframe, and other doohickeys to improve situational awareness and degrade the enemy's. I think the Chinese also found similar results when they pitted even half baked J-20s against other aircraft, they stomped the prev. gen.
from a 2018 PLA report, it's actually 0:17 with a pilot flying around 100 hours in his J20.
 
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