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  1. Kabira

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    There are lots of comunities who have migrated from North/Central India in to Pakistan centuries or thousands years ago, but only in plains and not desert of Balochistan. But Brahui are not one of them. Brahui actually once held considerable power in parts of Balochistan. @DESERT FIGHTER can go more in detail.

    "As the last of the migrating tribes to arrive, the Baluch had to displace or assimilate the tribes that were already present and occupying the land.Opposed by the powerful Brahui tribes, the Baluch were able to overcome them until an extended civil war broke out between the Rind and Lashari Baluch tribes which weakened them substantially.

    After defeating the Brahui under their chief, Mir Chakar of the Rind tribe in approximately 1487, the Baluch kingdom was destroyed in the 30-year civil war between the Rind tribe and its rival, the Lasharis. The Baluch had expanded eastward as they spread into modern Pakistan’s Sind and North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) before being halted by the powerful Mughals of India. The names of Dera Ghazi Khan and Dera Ismail Khan serve as reminders of the Baluch presence in these areas in the 16th century.

    Once they were weakened by civil war, the Baluch tribes fell under the control of the population they once defeated – the Brahui – whose leaders became the powerful Khans of Kalat."



    http://www.tribalanalysiscenter.com/PDF-TAC/Baluch and the Brahui.pdf

    Brahui were war like people, they were not simple dravidians muslims who migrated to place like Balochistan for peace and food.
     
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    I don't see the excessive usage of retroflex consonants which is the hallmark of Dravidian languages, and the vocabulary is also heavily borrowed from Balochi. Do we know what the unbiased and professional linguists or anthropologists, such as Hassan Dani, say about Brohi language / people?
     
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    @save_ghenda, a question: khan of kalat is an ahmadzai... That sounds pashtun, but of khan of kalat wiki page it's called ahmadzai baluch... How can ahmadzai be baloch and now your above article calls khans of kalat bruhi... That's even more confusing.
     
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    hmm wikis can be confused. link of that page?
     
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    who?
     
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    I think they were Brahui, at least according to many sources.
    Rulers or Khans of Kalat
    The rulers of Kalat held the title of Wali originally but in 1739 also took the title (Begler Begi) Khan usually shortened to Khan. The last Khan of Kalat (Urdu: خان قلات) had the privilege of being the President of the Council of Rulers for the Baluchistan States Union.
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    Tenure Khan of Kalat
    1666 - 1667 Ahmad I
    1695 - 1696 Mir Mehrab
    1697 - 1713 Samandar Khan
    1713 - 1714 Ahmad II
    1715 - 1730 Mir Abdullah
    1730 - 1749 Mir Muhabbat
    1749 - 1794 Mir Muhammad Nasir Khan I
    1794 - 1831 Mir Mahmud Khan I
    1831 - 13th November 1839 Mir Mehrab Khan II
    1839 - 1840 Mir Shah Nawaz Khan
    1840 - 1857 Mir Nasir Khan II
    1857 - March 1863 Mir Khudadad Khan (1st time) during his period of rule, there were seven major and many minor rebellion took place.

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    Also found this written by our resident historian @Samandri.

    Mir Nasir Khan Brahui of Kalat and Ahmad Shah Abdali | History of Pashtuns
     
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    Brohis have adopted many Baloch and Pasthun customs. For e.g., adding Mir in the beginning of the name is a very Baloch thing but now this is quite common among Brohis, and Sindhis as well. Ahmedzai is a famous Pashtun tirbe but it simply means the descendants of Ahmed, therefore a Brohi can also have this surname - but they are still two different people and tribes.
     
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    ok, I'm no expert, I just barfed my first impressions out.. singing style, even dress/turban etc reminiscent of Rajasthan, spoken out, some of it sounds like some mallu speak etc
     
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    Are Brahui muslims?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Is Akhtar Mengal also a speaker of Brahui?

    Also what does dagha mean (its in the song). In Pashto it means udhar/there
     
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    Mengal is a Brohi (or Brahui) tribe.