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Please hold your laughs till the end of the article - if you can control yourself.

I thought i'd be appropriate to post this Topic in the Indian Defence Thread 'cause they get off on this kind of articles.



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Aug 23, 2022

Pakistan has bypassed its partner China and directly approached Russia for procuring spare parts for Klimov RD 93 engine for JF-17 fleet and is now trying to arrange US dollars as original equipment supplier M/s Rosoboronexport has been hit by western sanctions.

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Sino-Pak JF-17 fighter is facing severe engine serviceability issues with Russian original equipment manufacturer under Western Sanctions.


A day after the Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully targeted the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror training camp at Balakot on February 26, 2019, to avenge the Pulwama terror strike, the Pakistanis launched a counter with US F-16 fighters and Chinese JF-17 fighters south of Pir Panjal in Jammu and Kashmir.

There is documentary evidence that the Pakistan Air Force relied only on F-16s to target unspecified targets in the Nowshera-Rajouri-Poonch sector across the LoC with JF-17 fighters not involved in the action at all.

The Pakistani strike was intercepted by Indian fighters with Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shooting down a much superior F-16 before crashing his vintage MiG-21 Bison in Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir). While the US F-16 fired air-to-air missiles at Indian fighters, the much-touted Sino-Pak developed JF-17 was just for show and did not see the air battle and remained hidden behind the American fighters. The JF-17 programme today is in the doldrums due to a lack of spare parts for the Russian-made Klimov RD 93 aircraft engine.

Stung by multiple failures of JF-17 aircraft, primarily due to the serviceability of RD-93 engines, Pakistan had directly approached Russia for procuring the RD-93 engines, bypassing China. In the aftermath of multiple negotiations by Islamabad with Moscow, Russian engine company Kilmov has now indicated its willingness to supply RD-93 engines and its associated repair systems and maintenance facilities to JF-17 aircraft.

However, in 2018, M/s Rosoboronexport, which is authorised to export defence equipment including RD- 93 engines and spares, was sanctioned by the US, thereby adversely affecting the sourcing of RD-93 engine spares by the PAF. The sanctions restrict Rosoboronexport from undertaking US dollar transactions, which the two governments and the concerned banks have now been attempting to sort out.

Russia has been strengthening its defence ties with Pakistan by allowing it to procure the RD-93 engine directly from it as opposed to using China as an intermediary as was the case previously. However, international relations are in a state of flux and strategic equations are changing fast with Russia coming under pressure from the West and looking for support from others. It is apparent that Russia is moving close to China in the evolving geo political matrix which is sought to be exploited by Pakistan.

Pakistan Air Force saddled with underperforming JF-17 aircraft

The JF-17 fighter jets, developed jointly by Pakistan and China, which was supposed to be a low-cost, lightweight, all-weather, multi-role fighter with a Chinese airframe, has now become a liability for Islamabad as it failed to keep up with the hype of being the best fighter aircraft in the world. Islamabad's experience with the JF-17 aircraft, particularly its Russian-made RD-93 engines, tells a completely different story besides casting serious doubt on the quality of these aircraft.

The Pakistan military leadership had expected a fighter aircraft, something akin to the Russian Su-30 MKI or the French Mirage 2000 but the JF-17 aircraft fell well short of their high hopes as the aircraft performed poorly against the Indian Air Force's Mirage 2000 and Su-30s.

Incidentally, since its induction into the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in 2009, the JF-17 recorded a string of crashes, casting serious doubts on the fitness of the aircraft as the PAF found much to its chagrin, that the JF-17 aircraft is nowhere near the boastful claims made by China due to problems encountered in the performance of Russian made RD-93 engines, installed in the aircraft.

Compounding the problem, the PAF has been encountering challenges in the serviceability of the aircraft due to a shortage of spares and engines. A large number of Russian RD 93 engines, installed in the JF-17 aircraft have developed cracks in guide vanes, exhaust nozzles and flame stabilisers, and the PAF has been struggling hard to replace these engines due to contractual obligations which forces Pakistan to procure the RD-93 engines from Russia only through China. Adding to the woes of the PAF, the China National Aero Technology Export & Import Corporation's (CATIC) tepid response in providing necessary spares and support for the RD-93 engines of PAF's JF-17 aircraft led to the grounding of more than half of the total number of these aircraft (137) held by the PAF.

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Yaar, koi ees chamaar ko tweet tou karey. India has been peddling this JF-17 Engine issue for 5 Years now. In that period, we got a B-Variant & the Block III is just around the corner - as per my "Source".

The word "Underperforming" was though used for the JF-17, but the author failed to mention the achievements of TeJa in terms of operation & Sale to Foreign Nations.

As for the word 'Sanction', let me know if you've heard this before. "Sanctions do not apply to us because our deal was made before CAATSA was imposed". Sorry Ukraine.

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NO. PLEASE DONT and let them believe that JFT is inferior to their Samosa TEJAS. It is even inferior than the Mig 21s that they want to phase out. It has sooooooo many problems you canmot count them and we are so plagued with troubles ALL our fleet is grounded.
PLEASE let them live in their delusions.
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Question is, does Pakistan even have ANYTHING to offer the ukrainians in terms of armaments?
NO WE DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO EXPORT TO UKRAINE. NOT EVEN 155mm shells.
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Please hold your laughs till the end of the article - if you can control yourself.

I thought i'd be appropriate to post this Topic in the Indian Defence Thread 'cause they get off on this kind of articles.



View attachment 872816


Aug 23, 2022

Pakistan has bypassed its partner China and directly approached Russia for procuring spare parts for Klimov RD 93 engine for JF-17 fleet and is now trying to arrange US dollars as original equipment supplier M/s Rosoboronexport has been hit by western sanctions.

image_(10)_1661237961593_1661237973425_1661237973425.png

Sino-Pak JF-17 fighter is facing severe engine serviceability issues with Russian original equipment manufacturer under Western Sanctions.


A day after the Indian Air Force (IAF) successfully targeted the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror training camp at Balakot on February 26, 2019, to avenge the Pulwama terror strike, the Pakistanis launched a counter with US F-16 fighters and Chinese JF-17 fighters south of Pir Panjal in Jammu and Kashmir.

There is documentary evidence that the Pakistan Air Force relied only on F-16s to target unspecified targets in the Nowshera-Rajouri-Poonch sector across the LoC with JF-17 fighters not involved in the action at all.

The Pakistani strike was intercepted by Indian fighters with Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shooting down a much superior F-16 before crashing his vintage MiG-21 Bison in Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir). While the US F-16 fired air-to-air missiles at Indian fighters, the much-touted Sino-Pak developed JF-17 was just for show and did not see the air battle and remained hidden behind the American fighters. The JF-17 programme today is in the doldrums due to a lack of spare parts for the Russian-made Klimov RD 93 aircraft engine.

Stung by multiple failures of JF-17 aircraft, primarily due to the serviceability of RD-93 engines, Pakistan had directly approached Russia for procuring the RD-93 engines, bypassing China. In the aftermath of multiple negotiations by Islamabad with Moscow, Russian engine company Kilmov has now indicated its willingness to supply RD-93 engines and its associated repair systems and maintenance facilities to JF-17 aircraft.

However, in 2018, M/s Rosoboronexport, which is authorised to export defence equipment including RD- 93 engines and spares, was sanctioned by the US, thereby adversely affecting the sourcing of RD-93 engine spares by the PAF. The sanctions restrict Rosoboronexport from undertaking US dollar transactions, which the two governments and the concerned banks have now been attempting to sort out.

Russia has been strengthening its defence ties with Pakistan by allowing it to procure the RD-93 engine directly from it as opposed to using China as an intermediary as was the case previously. However, international relations are in a state of flux and strategic equations are changing fast with Russia coming under pressure from the West and looking for support from others. It is apparent that Russia is moving close to China in the evolving geo political matrix which is sought to be exploited by Pakistan.

Pakistan Air Force saddled with underperforming JF-17 aircraft

The JF-17 fighter jets, developed jointly by Pakistan and China, which was supposed to be a low-cost, lightweight, all-weather, multi-role fighter with a Chinese airframe, has now become a liability for Islamabad as it failed to keep up with the hype of being the best fighter aircraft in the world. Islamabad's experience with the JF-17 aircraft, particularly its Russian-made RD-93 engines, tells a completely different story besides casting serious doubt on the quality of these aircraft.

The Pakistan military leadership had expected a fighter aircraft, something akin to the Russian Su-30 MKI or the French Mirage 2000 but the JF-17 aircraft fell well short of their high hopes as the aircraft performed poorly against the Indian Air Force's Mirage 2000 and Su-30s.

Incidentally, since its induction into the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in 2009, the JF-17 recorded a string of crashes, casting serious doubts on the fitness of the aircraft as the PAF found much to its chagrin, that the JF-17 aircraft is nowhere near the boastful claims made by China due to problems encountered in the performance of Russian made RD-93 engines, installed in the aircraft.

Compounding the problem, the PAF has been encountering challenges in the serviceability of the aircraft due to a shortage of spares and engines. A large number of Russian RD 93 engines, installed in the JF-17 aircraft have developed cracks in guide vanes, exhaust nozzles and flame stabilisers, and the PAF has been struggling hard to replace these engines due to contractual obligations which forces Pakistan to procure the RD-93 engines from Russia only through China. Adding to the woes of the PAF, the China National Aero Technology Export & Import Corporation's (CATIC) tepid response in providing necessary spares and support for the RD-93 engines of PAF's JF-17 aircraft led to the grounding of more than half of the total number of these aircraft (137) held by the PAF.

View attachment 872813

#:rofl:

Yaar, koi ees chamaar ko tweet tou karey. India has been peddling this JF-17 Engine issue for 5 Years now. In that period, we got a B-Variant & the Block III is just around the corner - as per my "Source".

The word "Underperforming" was though used for the JF-17, but the author failed to mention the achievements of TeJa in terms of operation & Sale to Foreign Nations.

As for the word 'Sanction', let me know if you've heard this before. "Sanctions do not apply to us because our deal was made before CAATSA was imposed". Sorry Ukraine.

@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal. @ghazi52 @Talon @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @Jango @Windjammer @The Eagle @AeroEngineer @akramishaqkhan @aliyusuf @AMRAAM @Cookie Monster @Desert Fox 1 @Falcon26 @FuturePAF @Ghessan @GriffinsRule @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @iLION12345_1@NA71 @Nasr @Nomad40@Path-Finder @PanzerKiel @PWFI @Rafi @Riz @Stealth @StormBreaker @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @Viper27 @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam @PakSword @Maarkhoor @Super Falcon @PradoTLC @khail007 @War Thunder @ZedZeeshan



Good to see Indians are as dumb as they dress …
 
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Indian surgical strike!
Supa dupa powa Indians used 99th gen brain rays on usa to sanction Russian engine companies so JF-17 becomes a failed project and supa dupa tejo samosa 100th gen dominates the sky.

We should just surrender we can’t compete with their advanced 5000 year old 1000th gen brahmin cow technologies.
 

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My guy go touch some grass,



I know right
Dont worry, the same gang will jump on next bharat junk J-10CE and VT-4 tank article. And remember the junk QBZ 191 rifle you just post recently. And try convince all Pakistanis only USA and Western weapon is the solution.
 

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If the performance of JF-17 is poor, why do so many countries buy it?

Moreover, Nigeria, Myanmar and other countries have made additional purchases.
 

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If the performance of JF-17 is poor, why do so many countries buy it?

Moreover, Nigeria, Myanmar and other countries have made additional purchases.
I wouldnt say a lot of countries buy it but at least its sold to a few countries unlike Tejas which enter limited service with IAF which they even despise it.
 

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