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I found this video, it was put up recently. The reason I am sharing here is that the person explains it really, really well. It's hard to find such a short, well-detailed, and well-produced video that caters to the public queries and misconceptions, on this topic.
 

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Though I agree with the whole concept of video. I still disagree of how it was presented that "scientific theory" should be considered as an absolute encompassing fact, which is not the case. e.g, There is a law of gravitation, the theory behind this law was presented by Einstein called "Theory of General Relativity". Today we know that this theory is not all encompassing, it contradicts with a theory called quantum mechanics.

I disagree with the starting point where the meaning of theory was communicated as if its the absolute truth. My contention is it is truth as of now, as per our understanding, but it can be changed as we learn more about the evolution. So it is truth, but its not an absolute truth.
 

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I disagree with the starting point where the meaning of theory was communicated as if its the absolute truth. My contention is it is truth as of now, as per our understanding, but it can be changed as we learn more about the evolution. So it is truth, but its not an absolute truth.
That's the power of science changes with new proof and constantly corrects itself
 

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I found this video, it was put up recently. The reason I am sharing here is that the person explains it really, really well. It's hard to find such a short, well-detailed, and well-produced video that caters to the public queries and misconceptions, on this topic.
I will have to look at this video when I get a chance. Dr. Israr Ahmad explained that Muslims who believe in evolution of human beings need not become Kaffir, as there is some leeway in Islam for it. The majority view is that evolution of humans is false, but there are some Muslims who believe the human body evolved and the Ruh (actual human) came down into those bodies.

I do not believe in human evolution, but I accept that those who want to believe it need not leave Islam.
 

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To seek and learn is a part of Islam. I disagree with the video. To say that Islam should be interpreted only by references to scholars entirely misses the target.

The video had me saying "And?" because so what if the presenter is non Muslim as long as the content is valuable, so what if the makers are trying to share the knowledge of Islam from a Scientific perspective. To say it is wrong, is wrong in itself. You should disprove, not simply refute.

Reading the comments, it really saddens me how this person thinks. Some people said that their content seems perfectly good and in light of Islam, it seems good and well made. But all this person could reply was "You have no idea what you're talking about," and "That's what 2 billion Christians think about Christianity, but they're deceived by Shaytan." If you ask me, that's very ignorant. Instead of presenting the facts, and letting the people form their own opinion and decide for themselves, this person is trying to suppress and put down others. That's insanity, don't fall for his soft tone.

Though I agree with the whole concept of video. I still disagree of how it was presented that "scientific theory" should be considered as an absolute encompassing fact, which is not the case. e.g, There is a law of gravitation, the theory behind this law was presented by Einstein called "Theory of General Relativity". Today we know that this theory is not all encompassing, it contradicts with a theory called quantum mechanics.

I disagree with the starting point where the meaning of theory was communicated as if its the absolute truth. My contention is it is truth as of now, as per our understanding, but it can be changed as we learn more about the evolution. So it is truth, but its not an absolute truth.
But we ought to present a better theory, a theory that is more scientifically applicable, experimentally provable, and distinguished. There are many case studies conducted over many years that prove that adaptation, and hence, evolution is a process that takes place. The ability to use radioactive elements to date old bones, genetic studies and such comparisons also point to its reliability.

Also, I just saw the There is No Clash video. Many Muslims seem to disagree on that video, mostly arabs. It makes me happy that Pakistani Muslims are more broad-minded and understanding the importance of science in the Muslim world as it was about in the Osmanli caliphate, and instead of outright rejecting it, they're ready to debate it.
 

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To seek and learn is a part of Islam. I disagree with the video. To say that Islam should be interpreted only by references to scholars entirely misses the target.

The video had me saying "And?" because so what if the presenter is non Muslim as long as the content is valuable, so what if the makers are trying to share the knowledge of Islam from a Scientific perspective. To say it is wrong, is wrong in itself. You should disprove, not simply refute.

Reading the comments, it really saddens me how this person thinks. Some people said that their content seems perfectly good and in light of Islam, it seems good and well made. But all this person could reply was "You have no idea what you're talking about," and "That's what 2 billion Christians think about Christianity, but they're deceived by Shaytan." If you ask me, that's very ignorant. Instead of presenting the facts, and letting the people form their own opinion and decide for themselves, this person is trying to suppress and put down others. That's insanity, don't fall for his soft tone.



But we ought to present a better theory, a theory that is more scientifically applicable, experimentally provable, and distinguished. There are many case studies conducted over many years that prove that adaptation, and hence, evolution is a process that takes place. The ability to use radioactive elements to date old bones, genetic studies and such comparisons also point to its reliability.



Also, I just saw the There is No Clash video. Many Muslims seem to disagree on that video, mostly arabs. It makes me happy that Pakistani Muslims are more broad-minded and understanding the importance of science in the Muslim world as it was about in the Osmanli caliphate, and instead of outright rejecting it, they're ready to debate it.
Evolution in the context of constant adaptations to existing and changing nature's phenomena is understandable..Nature is stable and orderly even in its own Chaos.. the adaptation applies to living things moving around it.. The rest is BS.. like Man is a descendent of apes.. while there is a gene difference up till now..
 

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Evolution in the context of constant adaptations to existing and changing nature's phenomena is understandable..Nature is stable and orderly even in its own Chaos.. the adaptation applies to living things moving around it.. The rest is BS.. like Man is a descendent of apes.. while there is a gene difference up till now..
cross species transition is still not documented. the jury is still out.

something happened 40k years ago that nobody wanna tell nobody
 

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cross species transition is still not documented. the jury is still out.

something happened 40k years ago that nobody wanna tell nobody
There are some obvious things in nature.. people might be searching.. but you can't cross a lion with a horse or an eagle with a snake..
 

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There are some obvious things in nature.. people might be searching.. but you can't cross a lion with a horse or an eagle with a snake..
depends. with modern science you can harvest organs in animals. boast about having a lions heart and a bisons testicles.

you cannot however give birth to a chicken.

when do you think ape stopped being ape and became human?
 

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depends. with modern science you can harvest organs in animals. boast about having a lions heart and a bisons testicles.

you cannot however give birth to a chicken.

when do you think ape stopped being ape and became human?
Never one of those experiments have ever succeeded.. only in movies like Frankenstein..
Apes never stopped being apes.. the closest evolutionists came up with was the Chimpanzee.. but there is still one gene difference with humans..

You can give birth to a chicken if you have..a rooster with a chicken..:lol:
 

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