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Estimation of joint Arab military force component

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  1. aliaselin

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    According to BBC news(Arab League agrees to create joint military force - BBC News the joint arab military force will be consisted of about 40,000 elite members, including land, naval and air force. So considering the number of 40,000 and the word "elite", the best comparison could be:
    Netherlands with 37,400 active military
    Finland with 37,500 active military

    with a less comparable military force as backups:
    Oman with 42,600 active military.

    For Netherlands, the ratio of the land: navy: air force is about: 2.5: 1.3: 1, with the following equipment:
    MBT: 18(Leopard 2)
    IFV: ~100(CV9035NL)
    APC: ~600
    SPH: 57(PzH2000)
    SR-SAM: > 36
    MR-SAM: 3
    LR-SAM: 3

    Destroyer: 4(De Zeven Provinciën-class)
    Frigate: 2(Karel Doorman-class frigate)
    OPV:4(Holland class)
    LPD: 2(Rotterdam-class)
    Submarine: 4(Valrus class)

    Fighter: 87
    Transporter: > 4
    Attack helicopter: 28
    Utility helicopter: 48

    For Finland, the ratio of the land: navy: air force is about: 9: 2 :1, with the following equipment:
    MBT: 128(Leopard 2)
    IFV: 192
    APC: 860
    Towed howitzer: 471
    SPG: 72
    MLRS: 34
    SR-SAM: 322
    MR-SAM: 24

    Patrol boat: 8

    Fighter: 55
    Transporter: 5
    Attack helicopter: 28
    Utility helicopter: 48

    From this data we can see that, the Holland army is heavily emphasizing naval force, while th Finnish army is more focused on land force. So if we normalize the number based on Finnish army(totally 12 points), the ratio become:
    Holland: 6.25: 3.25: 2.5
    Finland: 9: 2: 1
    Holland air force is balanced with enough fighter, transporter and helicopter, so I fix the number for air force of joint Arab military as 2.5, but reduce navy force number to 2.75, then the number of army is 6.75, with the number:
    army: 22, 500
    navy: 9, 166
    air force: 8,334


    With the following equipment:
    Army(based on Finland number):
    MBT: ~96
    IFV: ~ 144
    APC: ~ 645
    Truck howitzer : ~353(don't think they will order towed howitzer for this new army)
    SPG: 54
    MLRS: 26
    SR-SAM: 240
    MR-SAM: 18
    LR-SAM: 3(which Finland army lacks)


    Navy(Based on Netherlands but with more focused on landing force but not air-defence and underwater force, 1 destroyer = 2 frigate = 2 submarine = 2 LPD = 4 OPV)
    Destroyer: 1
    Frigate: 4
    OPV: 6~7
    LPD: 4
    Submarine: 2


    Air force(copy from Netherlands number)
    Fighter: 87
    Transporter: > 4
    Attack helicopter: 28
    Utility helicopter: 48


    #Note 1: Destroyer and Frigate is discriminated based on whether it is fitted with LR-SAM of SR-SAM
    #Note 2: This estimation is based on the prerequisite that joint Arab military force can be an independent force and supporting from the navy and air force from Arabia League is not necessary
     
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    Netherlands have a well trained military that maintains NATO standards, the Arab military have proven that they are bad at infantry fighting it out at the battlefield. Thus they will require more tanks, IFV and APCs, helicopters and fighter jets.

    But they probably will not have a strong Navy considering that the so called Arab Military is there for the sole reason of containing Iran and the Persian Gulf isn't that deep. Not to forget to mention about British and US presence over there.
     
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    They will need many things :)
     
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    ًWHAT?? see what Egyptian infantry have done in the 73 war i doubt any infantry in the world can do what we did
     
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    The major role of joint Arab military force navy is for protecting the landing force and blocking the marine transportation line of its enemy, as an independent force, I think limited region air defense ability is needed, because its enemies have lots of anti-ship missiles,and I have already lower down the weighting of the navy and adjust the force to be more focused on landing and patrolling roles.
    As to Arab military compared to Netherlands, I think generally you are right, but if you choose only 40,000 elites from about 10 Arabian countries, they may be comparable.
     
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    See what a midget nation Israel has done to these Arabs?
     
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    You lost more men, tanks and other vehicles along with territory which Israel had to later give up because of the threat of insurgency.
     
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    see the whole topic it will save us all a lot of time
    THE YOM KIPPUR WAR : THE ALGERIAN CONTRIBUTION
     
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    Darling
    Egypt is arab country ?
     
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    officially it is
     
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    Algeria , a member of the Arab league is against its creation and is not a participant. The force in question , an idea of Egyptian president Sissi , will be under the command and financial influence of the Sauds. It is created mainly to subdue other muslim country who do not sunbsribe to the Sauds hegemony. No definite goal of the force have been given or discussed. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Lybia and Algeria would be a surely a target, We have already had a taste of the wahabis in the 90's that left 200,000 dead and over $20 Billion destruction (90's $) on top of a world embargo, including Arab states , whom all, as the west established entry visa for Algerians and removed their embassies from the country as well as forbade their airlines to fly to Algeria.. visa save few, ie UAE and Tunisia. Tunisia was our window for visa and any departure.
    Arab armies have lead in their @sses and they are proficient as tits on a wild boar....Yemen gives a good idea of the training and the lethality of the arab armies.. as far, as I thing the world is really safe from them...most will end up shooting self in the foot, just as the Sauds and their crude oil policies..

    officialy, but in reality from the west Nile and going West a berber country...

    Non, they didn't Israel has lost a lot more in all categories, air and land and lives. It was just bad decisions made by Sadat after he lost his brother in dog fight that changed the course of the finality of the war.

    The problem, is they lost steam and that is fatal to any army...I thing the storming of Bar Lev line is by itself tremendous success , skilfully executed , that is still to this day, taught in the most prestigious world military schools..

    Elite has a different meaning in Arab armies..
     
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    Stop spreading rumors .... I'm living west Nile and my father and my grandgrand father and I don't know what is Berber..?!?

    It is a midget implanted in our region and protected by giants....please only read....read first....then talk....Israel never
    leave an occupied territory EXCEPT Sinai...as they know they will suffer a lot if they keep it.
     
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    I am not talking about your dad, I am talking about Egypt history, and Egyptian at large..
     
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    You know it better than me. :)

    I wish Pakistan and Egypt were closer to each other.
    Exactly the same thing.
     
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    We know about our history more than one come from thousands of miles away.