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Erdogan’s chief adviser calls for Turkey’s NATO membership to be reconsidered – local media

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    Erdogan’s chief adviser calls for Turkey’s NATO membership to be reconsidered – local media
    Published time: 20 Nov, 2017 12:43Edited time: 20 Nov, 2017 13:53
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    [​IMG]‘Simple apology’ is not enough: Insulted Erdogan on NATO ‘impudence’ over enemy-chart scandal
    Tensions between the military bloc and Turkey escalated last week when Turkey’s founding leader, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and current president Recep Tayyip Erdogan were depicted as “enemies” during NATO drills in Norway. Erdogan said the incident was an attack targeting “Turkey and the Turkish nation.”

    What [NATO] did is a scandal,” the Turkish leader told a ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) provincial congress in the eastern province of Bayburt on Sunday, Hurriyet reported. “They know that they cannot stop our country, which is why they are putting us on a target board. I hope that those who welcomed attacks against us before now understand the real face of the matter, as Ataturk was also included.”

    The issue is not a personal or party issue. The target is Turkey and the Turkish nation,” he noted.

    Today there is a Turkey that cannot be compared with 15 years ago in every field – from the economy to the defense industry, and from trade to diplomacy. There is now a Turkey that produces its own weapons and tanks,” Erdogan warned.

    Last week, Turkish troops were forced to leave NATO drills ahead of schedule, after the names of Erdogan and Ataturk appeared in an embarrassing “enemy chart.” It was decided to withdraw all 40 Turkish soldiers from the drill “immediately,” Erdogan said, adding that the removal of those names from the “enemy poster,” featuring his name on one side and a picture of modern Turkey’s founder, would not change his decision. “There can be no alliance like that,” Erdogan said.

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    On Friday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg issued a statement saying: “I apologize for the offence caused.” According to the NATO chief, the incident at the alliance’s Joint Warfare Centre in Stavanger, Norway was the result of an “individual’s actions” and “did not reflect the views” of the alliance.

    The individual in question was immediately removed from the exercise by the Joint Warfare Centre, and an investigation is underway. He was a civilian contractor seconded by Norway and not a NATO employee,” he said.

    Erdogan rebuffed NATO’s apology for what he called “impudence” during the alliance’s drills in Norway.

    Yesterday, you have witnessed the impudence at NATO exercises in Norway. There are some mistakes that cannot be committed by fools but only by vile people,” Erdogan said in a televised speech on Saturday. He added that the incident shows “a reflection of a distorted point of view that we have observed in NATO for a while.”

    This matter cannot be covered over with a simple apology,” he said.

    There is also growing antagonism between Turkey and some of its allies within the military bloc. Ankara’s decision to buy Russian S-400 anti-aircraft systems caused concern among some NATO member states, including the US. NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said in October that Ankara’s decision to purchase the S-400 does not harm the interests of NATO. The deal repeatedly came under fire from top US military officials, who said it “would be a concern” for Washington. Lack of interoperability with NATO weapons was named as one of the key problems, with the Pentagon insisting that “NATO’s interoperable missile defense system remains the best option.”


    https://www.rt.com/news/410395-turkey-nato-membership-reconsider/
     
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    If Turkey wants a base in Idlib, to control Kurds, the government of Syria will not disagree.

    And if Turkey leaves NATO, can ask for anything she wants from Iran, Russia and Syria.
     
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    so what happened to the 'we are always with the oppressed Muslim' narrative.

    and what IF Turkey does not leave the NATO what then?
     
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    Turkish base in Syria especially in Idlib, will keep Turkey connected to Arab world not surrounded by Kurds.

    Leaving NATO will end NATO-made crisis in Syria, btw, S-400 is on the way.
     
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    we should wait and see.. and if they do not want us they should take the blame and throw us out.. :)

    in the near future the things I thought to come true are coming true.. lets see the results.. I wait for a real show down the romans will go and gather together to rip all me apart..
     
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    Romans made their try by that coup, you don't need to wait.

    Plan was a president-less Turkey with destroyed Iraq and Syria in her neighborhood and more importantly an strong Barzani behind your ears. Who could stop him btw?
     
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    Turkey isn't leaving NATO over the Erdogan/Ataturk insult incident. Yes, we Turks are an emotionally shallow people. We get angry, sad and happy on the fly without giving things much thought. But leaving NATO over this would be very immature even by our standards.

    The president's adviser isn't the President himself, and the President, although representative of us, isn't Turkey itself. A strategic decision like leaving NATO would require long deliberations in the parliament and would have to be backed by strong public support. I reckon Turks don't hate NATO quite so badly -- yet.

    However, I do think that it's high time we discuss NATO's legitimacy to exist in this day and age as a whole, the regular discrepancy between its mission statement and what it actually does on a year-to-year basis, and most importantly, whether or not NATO membership is actually benefiting Turkey anymore -- or if it's holding us back from developing a more independent national geostrategy.

    I very much doubt the rest of NATO would come to our aid in any meaningful way if Turkey were to exercise article 5. And it's becoming rather too apparent now that we're actually being attacked -- through terrorist proxies -- by certain NATO members, and not by those NATO points fingers at. So NATO certainly isn't making it easy for the Turks to love them.
     
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    Leaving NATO seems to be too soon. I guess it would take sometime.
     
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    Erdoğan's chief advisers are not to be taken seriously, trust me.
     
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    How do they keep finding these people, the former adviser said that Turkey is going to become a federal state where Kurds will get autonomy and another one said that they were ready to recognize Syrian Kurds(aka. PKK)
     
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    Who isn't ? Have you seen comment sections of European media outlets ? This is not something specifically Turkish people like to suggest.
     
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    Yeah, I'd have to agree with how dumb, ignorant and xenophobic a lot of the people in the West are, but on a higher note, at the political level, they seem to be able to remain relatively calm, witty and pragmatical. I'm not sure but it may have to do with their more corporate, individualistic, goal-oriented nature. Russians in particular, albeit not really "the West", are experts at this. Neither insults nor praise seem to have any effect on those mofos.
     
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    Works with Pakistan and it will have nuclear cover and they will provide us with technology such as t129
    Turkey has the 2ns largest NATO military. If turkey walks NATO will struggle on its eastern flank
     
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