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Erdoğan slams preachers over remarks on women, calls on Diyanet to take more active role

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  1. Indus Pakistan

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    Ahh the Injun comes out.

    The same US spends $800 billion on 'defence'. Law/Order is not cheap.

    True. But are we supposed to hang all the criminals? That is nature of justice. You can't hang all of them - even in USA. There is whole set crimes.

    So what would you have. Starve them?
     
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    The word 'Injun' - is a gross slang towards American Indians_akin to calling a black person a Nigger. I'm not the least bit shocked you used such terms. You and I will never cross paths on these forums. /ignore
     
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    I think you misunderstood.

    Some of these self made scholars who oppress women should be taken to task. There are societies where they say a women must not be seen by a male doctor even if she dies yet Allah tells you he would rather see the Kebah destroyed than a single Muslim life lost. He insist on you eating pork to save a life. These are the idiots he is talking about who prevent women's education so next generation Muslims are ignorant. Fact is we have to challenge these idiots. Regarding his comments....essence can be lost in translation too
     
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    but the thanks only went to the Brits - mindset mindset !
     
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    Send mullah yildiz to ISIS territories. He deserve them not Turkey.
     
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    Matters can be reinterpreted, but core faith remains the same. Definitely things can be reinterpreted for example here in Scandinavia we have abnormally long days in the summer and very short in the winter. It becomes difficult to fast for 20+ hours in the summer (which is case in Holy Ramadan), so it scholars should find a collective solution but no scholar has the authority to change the number of obligatory prayers from 5 to any other number.
     
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    The Kuran is beyond yesterday, today or tomorrow, for it adopts every ''conditions'' of human beings unlike some 'Islam abusers'; that is why the world is running 21.century while they are stuck in primitive era, in which poverty, misery, blood is widespread like today's muslim geography followed by ''kuffars'' smart devices.

    Even Erdoğan has come to realization for it, which underlines the uniqueness of Turkish understanding of Islam.
     
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  8. xenon54

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    He is a self proclaimed schoolar, these people should be jailed just like fake doctors.
     
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    What exactly Allama Iqbal asked for regarding Islam?

    Why are you posting selective quotes from wikipedia -- i don't know how things work in wikipedia, but whoever posted in wikipedia is a buffoon.

    Reform exactly what?

    With due respect, you might have grown older but not matured -- is this the kind of reform you looking for in Islam. This is not reform, this is revolt.

    ALLAH swt' has clearly said in Quran:

    “And there is (a saving of) life for you in Al-Qisaas (the Law of Equality in punishment), O men of understanding, that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious)” [al-Baqarah 2:179]

    We ordained therein for them:"Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers" [al-Ma'idah 5:45 ]
     
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    Good that you recognised and he confirmed it.

    Hi,
    He should be reprimanded....but not executed. He is illogical but he did not incite any restlessness and you can gauge that from Erdogan's reaction. Diyanat will do something about it. The best way to tackle such people is a public debate with a highly knowledgeable scholar who can counter his bullshit and the loser is obligated to offer an apology and shun his wrong ideas. Any use of force will result in chaos in the society and his followers will react.
     
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    I don't have time now and I will ignore the ad hominem but what exactly is "Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam" by Sir Allama Iqbal driving at? Copies are available online for instance from Iqbal Academy. Take the time to read it please.
     
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    Except telling man that its ok to beat wives.

    No the justice will do something about him, Diyanet has no executive, legislative or judicative power, Ankara public prosecutor already opened a case against him.
    Erdogan usually never speaks about such remarks made by nobodies but the fact that he spoke so clearly shows it became a problem.
    Involving Diyanet into this is nothing small, you have no idea of what Diyanet is, just to give you a glimpse of it, they have the power to order 80'000 mosques all over the country to recite prayers simultanously on loudspeakers during an ongoing coup, i doubt there was an inch in Turkey where the prayers werent heard.

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    As you can see above Diyanet has always been the most powerful tool against religious extremism in Turkey, its sole reason for its existance is to keep self proclaimed extremist schoolars out of mosques and the reason for such an immense budget is thanks to the fact that all mosques in Turkey are goverment owned and have a goverment appointed Imams paid by diyanet a quite good salary.
    You will hardly hear much about Diyanet activities, but its still a very powerful ministry.

    Actually let me share you an article from 2008, Diyanet has been working on the topic for some time now, many people just never noticed it.

    Turkey strives for 21st century form of Islam
     
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  13. war&peace

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    This should only be read after a person has thoroughly read the Holy Quran (with translation if needed) and has good knowledge of Hadeeth (two primary sources of knowledge in Islam and mandatory for every Muslim).
     
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  14. Indus Pakistan

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    Where is the source for this caveat on "Recontructruction of Religious Thought in Islam" . Or are you applying your own rendering on it.

    And what did I say that contradicts this? The only thing I am doing is 'revolting' against the interpretation you and others like you make. You is "not Islam". So stop acting like a franchisee.
     
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    Can you cut it out with the over-the-top prejudice for a day at least? Calm down for once..

    Reported. (racism and prejudice)