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Erdogan must mind his business on matters relating to India and Pakistan

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If I know Erdoğan well, I do, this is the simpliest explanation of the trip;

Main agenda; FETO schools in India.
Subagendas; Kashmir issue, bileteral trade bla bla bla...

Erdoğan is pro-Pakistan on Kashmir and it won't change. Maybe he can say something pleasure for Indians to hear untill he gets what he wants. So there is no need to discuss about NSG, SC and other stuff unless Kashmir issue is solved. No back from Turkey for India.
I know how Erdogan changed after shooting down the Russian plane. Turkey is changing and Turkey will change a lot of policies that it practiced before. If he came all the way to meet Modi then he must have come with some offer. Diplomacy is always about give and take. Only time will tell what he gave and what he got.
 

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Who cares what Turkey's stand on Kashmir is. Many countries share the same stand, but it hasn't stopped them from doing business with India, and this is exactly why Erdogan is in India -- to expand economic cooperation and increase trade.
 

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First of all, Erdogan constantly used the term "Kashmir" instead of "Jammu & Kashmir" which is seen as a provocative and pro-Pakistan approach by many Hindu nationalists.

Secondly, India has maintained several times that no third-party has the right to intervene or to mediate between Pakistan and India. But Erdogan insisted that a multilateral approach is the key for a peaceful and sustainable solution. He basically disagreed with a core position of India regarding the Kashmir Conflict during his visit in India.
( :D )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...r-issue-once-and-for-all.492773/#post-9433940
He talks sense which Indians do not want to hear. Thats all
 

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He talks sense which Indians do not want to hear. Thats all
The man should focus on his country which he himself destroyed. A bustling, smart internationally respected country once with some of the most stable political institutions is now becoming another oligarchy run by his favourites and Erdogan himself.

I still have no idea why he visited India...
Aviation bilateral agreements.

Commercial deals.

Gaining political legitimacy outside of Western Hemisphere.

Sending a signal of focusing more on Asia now.
 

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Why the hell is he coming here in the First place? we don't have a very deep bilateral relations and judging from his comments he has no intention of expanding them, no clue why is this guy visiting India.
 

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I dont know why we invited a person with such low credibility in world politics ... No offense to Turkish people ...

BTW did Sultan arrive on a flying carpet ... :omghaha:
 
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And Pakistan dsnt want to talk about Balochistan missing prople and safe heavens for terrorists in Pakistan.
Please invade us and liberate Baluchistan like you had done back in 1971. Enough of words, come and support people of Baluchistan or have Iran do it on your behalf then see what happens there.
 

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i think the message from India before visit, is very clear !

http://www.hindustantimes.com/edito...nd-pakistan/story-Co1FOJ3Rdu4nn9Ysua3hVP.html

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A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He has also pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan will not find India falling short of its traditions of “atithi satkaar” and “mehmaan nawaazi” during his visit to New Delhi, but Turkey’s president would be well advised to keep his end of the bargain by playing the gracious guest. This would require him to curb his rhetoric about the West, which has turned bilious in recent years, in tandem with Mr Erdogan’s declining popularity, at home and abroad.

When Mr Erdogan last visited India, in 2008, he was welcomed as a leader of growing global stature, an example for all those who aspire to democracy. The president who arrived on Sunday is a pale shadow of that man, a leader so frightened of his shadow that he has imprisoned tens of thousands of his own countrymen, including more journalists than any totalitarian dictatorship.

In recent months, he has been on a tear about what he claims is the West’s open enmity towards all Muslims. This is not paranoia so much as politics: having lost his previous status as a beacon of democracy in the Muslim world, and blown Turkey’s chances of joining the European Union, Mr Erdogan is apparently trying to reinvent himself as a champion of Islamism. He seems determined to undo the proud secular traditions of his own country, and last month’s controversial referendum — whose results were uncomfortably close and tainted by credible complaints of tampering — has given him to power to do so. Mr Erdogan’s bluster towards imagined enemies may win him some admiration among fellow-paranoiacs in the Arab world, but they would not be welcome in India, which greatly values its relations with Europe and the United States. It is to be hoped that the president knows better than to stir up anti-Western feelings here.


Another challenge for Mr Erdogan will be to mind his manners — and his business — on matters relating to India and Pakistan. A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s, Mr Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Given Turkey’s longstanding closeness with Pakistan, it may be too much to expect relations with India to be more than formal and principally economic in nature. Mr Erdogan could even deepen such ties as exist, but only if he keeps his grievances to himself.
he,s make,s an offer that cant be accepted. opposite of godfather.
 

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i think the message from India before visit, is very clear !

http://www.hindustantimes.com/edito...nd-pakistan/story-Co1FOJ3Rdu4nn9Ysua3hVP.html

Hindustan Times
A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He has also pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan will not find India falling short of its traditions of “atithi satkaar” and “mehmaan nawaazi” during his visit to New Delhi, but Turkey’s president would be well advised to keep his end of the bargain by playing the gracious guest. This would require him to curb his rhetoric about the West, which has turned bilious in recent years, in tandem with Mr Erdogan’s declining popularity, at home and abroad.

When Mr Erdogan last visited India, in 2008, he was welcomed as a leader of growing global stature, an example for all those who aspire to democracy. The president who arrived on Sunday is a pale shadow of that man, a leader so frightened of his shadow that he has imprisoned tens of thousands of his own countrymen, including more journalists than any totalitarian dictatorship.

In recent months, he has been on a tear about what he claims is the West’s open enmity towards all Muslims. This is not paranoia so much as politics: having lost his previous status as a beacon of democracy in the Muslim world, and blown Turkey’s chances of joining the European Union, Mr Erdogan is apparently trying to reinvent himself as a champion of Islamism. He seems determined to undo the proud secular traditions of his own country, and last month’s controversial referendum — whose results were uncomfortably close and tainted by credible complaints of tampering — has given him to power to do so. Mr Erdogan’s bluster towards imagined enemies may win him some admiration among fellow-paranoiacs in the Arab world, but they would not be welcome in India, which greatly values its relations with Europe and the United States. It is to be hoped that the president knows better than to stir up anti-Western feelings here.


Another challenge for Mr Erdogan will be to mind his manners — and his business — on matters relating to India and Pakistan. A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s, Mr Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Given Turkey’s longstanding closeness with Pakistan, it may be too much to expect relations with India to be more than formal and principally economic in nature. Mr Erdogan could even deepen such ties as exist, but only if he keeps his grievances to himself.
But he is way batter then a Genocide king, who run India business. He did that because he has to stop uprising and it i standard procedure.
 

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coming from an Anatolian who's land was colony of Real Turks for 1000 years. :lol: you dont see us Indians claiming to be British but almost every Tom Dick and Harry from Anatolia claims that he's a Turk From Central Asia. :lol:

those who lives in Glass house should not Throw Stones. :)
what can I say dude, we are an enterpreneur nation, just can't sit on same place more than a couple of milleniums like you lazy as.s Indians :D

We would like to contribute to the world peace. good, first Turkey will give Independence to the Oppressed Kurds and by this it will contribute to the world peace.
Well, considering in Turkey, Kurds became President, Chief of Army or intelligence, Prime minister, Minister, MP, any level of civil or military officer... I don't think they are oppressed :) Kurdish citizens of Turkey have no problem with Turkey. PKK is the trouble maker.
 

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