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If elections are held with the understanding that old cases won’t be open, would that be good for Pakistan in the long run? new government can focus on improving economy , make changes to law to for better enforcement and tougher penalties for corruption but old cases won’t be open.

I think that’s where this whole system is stuck, corruption has already been done. Do we bite the bullet but make sure moving forward it’s not done? Or we keep going in circle? As a Muslim, I know that the person will pay for there deeds, a corrupt person will pay in the hereafter.

If this understanding is reached, onus falls on the people of Pakistan to make corrupt individuals pay by not voting them in power.
 

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PTI should withdraw from it's election demands and let PDM cement their collective death in Pakistan. Elections should be held in 1 year time as Fazullah bagora recently said.

Pakistan is within a whisker of bankruptcy and why does PTI want to sail a ship that is fast sinking?

PTI will get blamed anyway. Let PDM die fully.
 

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I think it's not fair to say he's pacifist (I had to Google what it means :lol:)
He's studied history as a subject (from what I heard)
And history tells us better solutions always came on table not from wars. All wars ultimately ended on tables.

Military establishment gave it their best shot for 2 decades and are still fighting evil.
IK from 20-25 years ago spoke against it, ultimately USA & our military themselves succumbed to table talks and that's how it ended. (some remnants are left as expected of a 20 yr strong devil created by 2 militaries themselves)

So IK was right all along.

USA had the luxury of packing its bags and going home

Pakistan doesn't have this luxury. It would have to fight its war one way or other
 

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Well then good luck for next 30 years
Keep fighting, my prayers are with you (or not)

I just replied to your analogy

American situation doesn't apply to Pakistan. TTP doesn't want to talk to you either
 

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Why it didn't work last time? ask Bajwa, ask ISI, ask courts, ask CSS officers, ask MNA MPA who threatened switching side & did switch, ask voters many of whom are spell bound by the title "Bhutto" (many old school Journos too) or "Shaerrrrrrr" unable to see if there's any substance left in these titles.

What will he do anything differently this time? Has he developed teeth now? well IK has given his policies, now it's upto public, the voters, to give him teeth, and again on ISI who always meddles, Bajwa-mindset & remnants, Election Commission, military mindset, CSS officers, and so many variables that are not in IK control. He can only do so much.

And why would he do it differently? his policies (P#1) above were same 20 years ago as they are now. Working details (P#2 & P#3) may have changed in order to maneuver around thorns in the system, as IK once said "don't compromise on your goals (policy), but compromise (procedures) for your goals"

So let's see: It was either the fault of the COAS that IK failed to deliver what he promised, or it will be the fault of the public for not giving IK the teeth that he needs to deliver on his promises the next time he gains power, if he does.

But why not consider that it is IK who is making promises that he possibly CANNOT deliver and stop looking for excuses to cover up his failures?

Lets say IK does not have any idea how to produce strong teeth this time, then what should a genuinely concerned Pakistani do; vote for Zardari? vote for Nawaz? vote for Maulvi?

What are their other options if they want to change status quo?

Most of those who claim to want to change the status quo are simply lying since they are quite comfortable with the way things actually are, particularly the sub-section that is here on PDF.

Other than that, they can either leave the country if they can, or just tolerate their suffering.

Whatever option is exercised, one thing is quite clear: the status quo simply cannot be expected to just fold up and go away simply because a few thousand twiterttitis came out to listen to a few speeches by their favored demagogue.
 
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He has told that MANY times over & over again
Looks like you like most Pakistanis are tuned to accept announcement of a metro or underpass as someone doing something.
There's a thing called memory-leak, where a corrupt poorly designed software keeps occupying RAM but doesn't release it fully, thereby gobbling whole RAM after some repeated use.
If that corruption in software could be stopped, many ills remedy without announcing a bridge or metro or underpass. Self healing will happen in society too once IK's policies below are implemented.



You cannot say he didn't tell you "whats & hows" but you may argue that "why IK didn't ensure the following steps in his 3.5 years", and he has answered that too, that he was toothless. IK has said that whenever he called upon MNAs to do legislation they threatened him with switching sides or wouldn't show up, but whenever he called them for dev-funds, everyone came running.



There are 3 Ps,
- Policy = mission statement = IK must give you this
- Process = higher level work flow = IK should contribute to this
- Procedure = lower level step by step working details = IK cannot give you that if this is "whats & hows" you expect
Only the top 1 or 2 come from leadership of any organization, the third "P" is always worked out by subject matter experts.



System is already running, but is sick, so following non-metro non-underpass projects will give system room to heal itself.
Below re IK's answers to "what" & "how"

- uniform application of law on big and small (hasn't IK said that thousand times?)
- non-politicizing police (hasn't IK said that thousand times?)
- taking corruption cases to end, punish the corrupt (hasn't IK said that thousand times? blocked from achieving by Bajwa)
- Broaden tax base (hasn't IK said that thousand times?) this will address non-$ money issue
- elevate dignity of human beings (hasn't IK done that via Langar Khanay he started & by resisting FULL lockdown that ISPR(Bajwa) had announced in act of defiance to PM?)
- work on confidences of ex-pats so that they remit & invest more (didn't IK started that via Rosha Digital & EVM?) this will address $ shortage
- work on core & long term more than the peripheral (i.e. roads & showcase projects) & short term gimmicks (didn't IK sat large dams)
- "خودی" self esteem (didn't IK try to mend rel w Rus & get fuel & grains at discount & took the brunt of EU & US & establishment & lost government for "خودی"?)
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etc etc

So what other kind of "whats & hows" would satisfy your appetite? Do you want to hear announcement of underpasses or laptop or yellow cab scheme or something?






Why it didn't work last time? ask Bajwa, ask ISI, ask courts, ask CSS officers, ask MNA MPA who threatened switching side & did switch, ask voters many of whom are spell bound by the title "Bhutto" (many old school Journos too) or "Shaerrrrrrr" unable to see if there's any substance left in these titles.

What will he do anything differently this time? Has he developed teeth now? well IK has given his policies, now it's upto public, the voters, to give him teeth, and again on ISI who always meddles, Bajwa-mindset & remnants, Election Commission, military mindset, CSS officers, and so many variables that are not in IK control. He can only do so much.

And why would he do it differently? his policies (P#1) above were same 20 years ago as they are now. Working details (P#2 & P#3) may have changed in order to maneuver around thorns in the system, as IK once said "don't compromise on your goals (policy), but compromise (procedures) for your goals"









Lets say IK does not have any idea how to produce strong teeth this time, then what should a genuinely concerned Pakistani do; vote for Zardari? vote for Nawaz? vote for Maulvi?

What are their other options if they want to change status quo?
good answer but please dont waste your time and energy on that guy. Hes a resident wanna-be aristotle who thinks that he can pretend to be smarter than everyone just because he has an inferiority complex against IK lmao
 

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Lol

Look at the OP, it says

Maybe in few weeks, next few months!! Lol dumb pakistanis

You have been taken for a ride yet again. What good are elections with the same fucking faces and same corrupt mafias taking part…….same old same old fucks, same old babas in power again
Same old fucking parliament and senate and same people/leaders??

no need to spend/waste money on this charade…..lets just default. Let it all go to shit.
This whole mafia gangs of politicians, judiciary, establishment, bureaucrats and military is entirely useless

Sab dehari laganay k chakkar mei hain, jo thora sa bach gya wo b london, usa, dubai le jao
Nukes b dubai ya london shift kerdo kyonke yaha to kisi se kuch hota nai
 

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Someone needs to ask Geniuses in Establishment What they actually achieved removing a govt (which had 5 year public mandate) half way through and creating a political instability.

The country has no hopes / no future until the nation makes example out of the people who are actually responsible for all the mess that we see today.

PDM is not an issue, PDM will be replaced by XYZ in future, there will always be people who would have billions of properties & business outside Pakistan and least stakes in Pakistan's survival. They will happily come into power with support from Generals. (PDM leadership has said as latest as in 2021 that No confidence motion can only be successful if establishment supports it). The issue is establishment which thinks its their core duty to poke into politics, foreign policy and if US shows displeasure in civil govt then no worries it will be removed like you are laying off a Manager in a company. No wisdom to think it, envision the repercussions, consequences all way down. Pak Establishment can be defined as No strategic thinking and 100% stubbornness.


BTW What low IQ Generals in Establishment actually achieved:

- Showed that they have lowest IQ among the world's militaries.
- Showed once again that they are above Law and are untouchables. Plus showed they are stubborn and stupid enough to show this Egoistic & tyranny approach to everyone.
- Completely destroyed their so called 5th gen warfare hype and turned the youth from their strongest ally to their critique. (This critique status will further turned down to enemy if estab don't mend their ways)
- Industry closure, 1000s of employees being fired
- Exports down big time
- Country on its knees, near bankrupt
- China, your single most trusted ally is frustrated, other allies worried
- Corruption cases forgiven.
- Social media ppl, journalists, law makers, senators being harrassed, kidnapped, tortured and murdered
- total chaos, complete political instability

- Above all this happening to the country who successfully survived worst times of Covid & highest rates of oil. Perhaps establishment was waiting for tough times to get over and then give steering wheel to PDM. The weather was clear but still PDM has made wrong turn and we are going down the hill.


For 75 years, our low IQ Generals never understood that once public give 5 year mandate to the govt then it should complete its tenure. You must never facilitate an auction halfway though and change the PM / federal cabinet without consulting the people. People will definitely feel frustrated and feel being robbed.
 
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Someone needs to ask Geniuses in Establishment What they actually achieved removing a govt (which had 5 year public mandate) half way through and creating a political instability.

The country has no hopes / no future until the nation makes example out of the people who are actually responsible for all the mess that we see today.

PDM is not an issue, PDM will be replaced by XYZ in future, there will always be people who would have billions of properties & business outside Pakistan and least stakes in Pakistan's survival. They will happily come into power with support from Generals. (PDM leadership has said as latest as in 2021 that No confidence motion can only be successful if establishment supports it). The issue is establishment which thinks its their core duty to poke into politics, foreign policy and if US shows displeasure in civil govt then no worries it will be removed like you are laying off a Manager in a company. No wisdom to think it, envision the repercussions, consequences all way down. Pak Establishment can be defined as No strategic thinking and 100% stubbornness
In our neighbouring country, caste system is followed in which upper caste people rule over lower caste who in turn rule over even lower caste who in turn rule over even lowerer caste. Brahmin's rule over all of them and just for a show they choose some guy who is not Brahmin as the leader for the nation. Regardless of all the economic improvement mumbo jumbo, the vast majority there still is dirt poor. You might ask why dont Brahmins and other upper caste people genuinely do something to uplift the poor masses when it will make India real strong, real wealthy, real powerful? Answer is, it does not suit the Brahmins and other higher caste people to let others to be equal to them let alone better than them. Only peanuts are provided for poorer ones just so that they remain alive to serve them.

In our case, our establishment is the Brahmin. And our political stooges are our other upper caste people. They will never allow equality for all. They will never allow prosperity for all. Only peanuts will be provided so that we the lower caste people keep on serving them.
 

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