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Egyptian negotiations during the PAS2019 exhibition to contract JF17 fighter jets with the transfer

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First we do not underestimate the value of Pakistan or Pakistani products, but they simply do not fit our requirements

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The FC-1 has been rejected several times over the past 12 years. Pakistan and China have repeatedly offered to Egypt several times and have been tested and failed to be accepted by the EAF

FC-1 BLOCK i & II is rejected before FC-1 BLOCK III is not yet real product

Always FC-1 news
FC-1 is offer to Egypt by the Chinese and Pakistani authorities, not the EAF or the Egyptian Ministry of Defense

The project of the FC-1 aircraft is mainly Chinese with a Pakistani participation in financing the project by 50% and some Pakistanis also Pakistan participation is to assemble the aircraft and manufacture the Avionics at a local manufacturing rate. 58% China is the owner of the project. K-8 Produced in Myanmar and Egypt with license from China

It is simple China is the one who officially presents Egypt with its domestic production, which is the main and fundamental decision

Let's talk about some of the specifications of the Chinese FC-1

FC-1 climb rate of 254 meters per second, which is the weakest in its class, with F-16, while Egypt has Mirage 2000, the climb rate is 285 meters per second, the Rafale 305 meters per second, the MIG-29 IS 330 meters per second
So Su-35 has a climbing rate higher than 280 meters per second and is a heavy aircraft

Same thing about acceleration
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According to the radar radar, the LKF601E Air Cooling Airborne AESA is 170 km for a radar target of RCS 5 m2
This Radar is able to track and target 15, and simultaneously engage 4 opponent aircrafts with the Radar Guided Missiles

While MIG-35 Zhuk-AMEh RADAR
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The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.
Zhuk-AMEh Range to 260 km.
radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.
http://www.janes.com/article/65271/...sia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

The Russians will supply China with an RD-93MA with Trust 9300 KN while the MG 35 will supply the RD-33MKM with a boost of at least TRUST 9,500 KN engines. The Russians will not offer a more powerful version of the MiG-35 to make the Russian plane superior

The Russians have already presented Egypt with the production of the MIG 35 three months ago. I gave an example in the previous post that how to buy large numbers of aircraft and produce locally will reduce its price as a result of the local component

MIG-35 , Rafale , SU-35 can face F-15I and F-16I & F-35I are better able to fight

Egypt does not want to face the MIG-21 to get a plane that excels like FC-1
In a pastiness propaganda operation to but the MiG-21 in a Pre-killing Zone

If the life of a FC-1 compared to 4000 flight hours and compared to the price of a plane and assume 30 million dollars and its load of arms compared to the MiG 35, the Chinese plane is more expensive than the Russian plane actually


First, the Egyptian F-16s equipped with AIM-7M missiles are not without the BVR missiles. Some of the idiots and idiots are also known. Egypt's MiG-29 are equipped with the R-77, the Rafale and Mirage 2000s With MICA and ready for Meteor

EGYPT SU-35 Will Equipped with R-37M and R-77


Creating an illusion through the promotion of a plane such as FC-1 that Egypt does not have the financial Resources is big Joke

Egypt over 6 years bought 94 fighter jets
Over the next six years, we will buy more fighters with similar numbers at least From MIG-35 & RAFALE & SU-35

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Buying second Deal of MIG-35 RAFALE fighter jets, SU-35 is inevitable To reduce the costs of the operation, Overfull and maintenance of fighters

Egyptian army Have Multiple sources of funding so do not stop purchases of Egypt from arms

For Example

Since November 2018 Egypt sign
Deal for 24 SU-35
Deal For 20 AW149
Deal for 32 Wing Loong 1-D UAV
7 Battery IRIS-T SLM With Over 500 Million usd

Egypt has decided instead of upgrade F-16 and putting the EAF under US pressure to buy better and cheaper planes such as The MiG-35 is supplied with all kinds of weapons that Egypt wants and thus the Egyptian F-16 turn into COIN /CAS

F-16 SLEP and Upgrade with AESA RADAR AND Aim-120 , AIM-9X , JDAM , AGM-154 will cost 30 million usd for each fighter
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New MIG-35 will cost 50 Million usd with complete new life better solution for egypt
ok that ends this debate then.

Hopefully you wont get this jet as it does not fulfill your requirements.
you got better options? go for em.
 

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I think the block-3 version will be equipped with the new MIG engine....is it right..?!



Most of them know that .... but they are motivated by hating Egypt.

Let us choose the most fit for our army and what supports our Operations in this critical Region of the world .

Now I know why this plan is facing problems in it’s marketing....if the marketers have the same aggressiveness, ignorance , didn’t study their customers , underestimating other plans capabilities and doesn’t understand customer needs ..... just like people in this thread ..... that plane will have a serious problem :coffee:
JFT is built on basis of plug n play, if PAF think they need new engine then JFT can be equipped with variety of engines available in the market.

If Egypt wants more capable JFT then they have to pay more for high quality airframe, engine and avionics, Egypt can negotiate deal with French Rafael's avionics and engine if they want commonality in systems.
 

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JFT is built on basis of plug n play, if PAF think they need new engine then JFT can be equipped with variety of engines available in the market.

If Egypt wants more capable JFT then they have to pay more for high quality airframe, engine and avionics, Egypt can negotiate deal with French Rafael's avionics and engine if they want commonality in systems.
I doubt that would be possible, or it would be very unlikely France would be willing to do this.
 

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Avionics would be close to impossible though.
Why not, If Egypt could buy the whole Rafale why not some French avionics.. in any case Chinese avionics are very good now..and that according to US military experts..

ok that ends this debate then.

Hopefully you wont get this jet as it does not fulfill your requirements.
you got better options? go for em.
Actually if the deal goes through, Egypt will make its own version with some modifications to suite its needs..And if Egypt manufactures the JF-17 III the cost will drop to about $20 million.. So it will be a very good deal for Egypt..
 

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@ARMalik is very correct Israel has Mizrahi jews agents who can easily blend in/infiltrate Arab nations in its immediate neighborhood or arab/muslim countries that still have some Jewish population.
Kinda like how NDS uses Afghan diaspora in Pakistan.

Regarding JFT I have a question. Where does the money fro. Jf17 sales go???
Does go PAC/PAF or MoD or someother Fed govt dept???
Mossad has a very strict policy not to recruit or use agents that are Jewish in foreign countries. Their rationale is if the agent is caught, they don't implicate local Jewish communities and cause a back lash against them inadvertently. If there is anything mossad doesn't know about jf-17, they'll find out 5 minutes after the first one lands in Nigeria.
 

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I doubt that would be possible, or it would be very unlikely France would be willing to do this.
France was ready to sale avionics and weapons package to Pakistan in initial stages of JFT development but they pulled out due to Indian pressure, that is not issue with Egypt also French are ready to sale engines if Pakistan wants it.

They might sell the SNECMA engine used on the Mirage 2000, Pakistan was negotiating for it at one time..
Rafale engine is also available as UK have also offered EJ-200 of EFT.
 

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That is true.. but maybe the training started much earlier.. because Pakistan had to face the Indian Mig-21s..Like in 1971..
We faced Mig21 in 1965...
Destroyed all 8 in IAF inventory on ground at Pathankot, Sep 7th, 1965.

We first flew Mig21s in Syria early 1970. My dad was deputed there. The less said about Syrian Arab AF the better...
 

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France was ready to sale avionics and weapons package to Pakistan in initial stages of JFT development but they pulled out due to Indian pressure, that is not issue with Egypt also French are ready to sale engines if Pakistan wants it.



Rafale engine is also available as UK have also offered EJ-200 of EFT.
jf-17 with EJ-200 and AESA could be a great deal...
 

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First we do not underestimate the value of Pakistan or Pakistani products, but they simply do not fit our requirements

View attachment 568256

The FC-1 has been rejected several times over the past 12 years. Pakistan and China have repeatedly offered to Egypt several times and have been tested and failed to be accepted by the EAF

FC-1 BLOCK i & II is rejected before FC-1 BLOCK III is not yet real product

Always FC-1 news
FC-1 is offer to Egypt by the Chinese and Pakistani authorities, not the EAF or the Egyptian Ministry of Defense

The project of the FC-1 aircraft is mainly Chinese with a Pakistani participation in financing the project by 50% and some Pakistanis also Pakistan participation is to assemble the aircraft and manufacture the Avionics at a local manufacturing rate. 58% China is the owner of the project. K-8 Produced in Myanmar and Egypt with license from China

It is simple China is the one who officially presents Egypt with its domestic production, which is the main and fundamental decision

Let's talk about some of the specifications of the Chinese FC-1

FC-1 climb rate of 254 meters per second, which is the weakest in its class, with F-16, while Egypt has Mirage 2000, the climb rate is 285 meters per second, the Rafale 305 meters per second, the MIG-29 IS 330 meters per second
So Su-35 has a climbing rate higher than 280 meters per second and is a heavy aircraft

Same thing about acceleration
View attachment 568253
According to the radar radar, the LKF601E Air Cooling Airborne AESA is 170 km for a radar target of RCS 5 m2
This Radar is able to track and target 15, and simultaneously engage 4 opponent aircrafts with the Radar Guided Missiles

While MIG-35 Zhuk-AMEh RADAR
View attachment 568252
The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.
Zhuk-AMEh Range to 260 km.
radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.
http://www.janes.com/article/65271/...sia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

The Russians will supply China with an RD-93MA with Trust 9300 KN while the MG 35 will supply the RD-33MKM with a boost of at least TRUST 9,500 KN engines. The Russians will not offer a more powerful version of the MiG-35 to make the Russian plane superior

The Russians have already presented Egypt with the production of the MIG 35 three months ago. I gave an example in the previous post that how to buy large numbers of aircraft and produce locally will reduce its price as a result of the local component

MIG-35 , Rafale , SU-35 can face F-15I and F-16I & F-35I are better able to fight

Egypt does not want to face the MIG-21 to get a plane that excels like FC-1
In a pastiness propaganda operation to but the MiG-21 in a Pre-killing Zone

If the life of a FC-1 compared to 4000 flight hours and compared to the price of a plane and assume 30 million dollars and its load of arms compared to the MiG 35, the Chinese plane is more expensive than the Russian plane actually


First, the Egyptian F-16s equipped with AIM-7M missiles are not without the BVR missiles. Some of the idiots and idiots are also known. Egypt's MiG-29 are equipped with the R-77, the Rafale and Mirage 2000s With MICA and ready for Meteor

EGYPT SU-35 Will Equipped with R-37M and R-77


Creating an illusion through the promotion of a plane such as FC-1 that Egypt does not have the financial Resources is big Joke

Egypt over 6 years bought 94 fighter jets
Over the next six years, we will buy more fighters with similar numbers at least From MIG-35 & RAFALE & SU-35

View attachment 568254

Buying second Deal of MIG-35 RAFALE fighter jets, SU-35 is inevitable To reduce the costs of the operation, Overfull and maintenance of fighters

Egyptian army Have Multiple sources of funding so do not stop purchases of Egypt from arms

For Example

Since November 2018 Egypt sign
Deal for 24 SU-35
Deal For 20 AW149
Deal for 32 Wing Loong 1-D UAV
7 Battery IRIS-T SLM With Over 500 Million usd

Egypt has decided instead of upgrade F-16 and putting the EAF under US pressure to buy better and cheaper planes such as The MiG-35 is supplied with all kinds of weapons that Egypt wants and thus the Egyptian F-16 turn into COIN /CAS

F-16 SLEP and Upgrade with AESA RADAR AND Aim-120 , AIM-9X , JDAM , AGM-154 will cost 30 million usd for each fighter
View attachment 568255
New MIG-35 will cost 50 Million usd with complete new life better solution for egypt
Thank you for comparing Light class (JF17) with Medium and Heavy class. Please elaborate use of light class and medium and heavy class?
 

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