• Saturday, November 23, 2019

Egyptian negotiations during the PAS2019 exhibition to contract JF17 fighter jets with the transfer

Discussion in 'Arab Defence Forum' started by The SC, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Zibago

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    That will be a huge boost for future sales a lot of folks in the Maghreb and sub saharan africa region are looking for new toys
     
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    That will go over Arab head. Where is the laham and rice
     
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    Its a joint venture luv :D

    That is what we are doing with it

    It will be a very expensive trainer you sure this will be its main role?
    Yeah it cant but the whole US arm twisting wont help either
    There are more subtle ways of getting the point across :D
    You do not respond to racism and stupidity with racism
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    American sanctions were primary motivators for us I am sure our Arab friends will know it in near and far future too
    Unless they are giving an order of multiple squadrons i highly doubt it
    We still do our female pilot who was martyred was flying one
    JF-17,s are replacing them
     
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  4. DESERT FIGHTER

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    @The SC PAF bought J-7s much much later in the 70s.
    The jets you guys had were soviet, with russian instructions and PAF pilots had no prior training on them.

    I remember watching Air CDRE Abdus Sattar Alvis interview, he shot down israeli Mirage IIICJ in an early model Mig-21.
    While Said ul Azam shot down 2 israelis in iraqi hunter.


    He made those points about the soviet jet and its shortfalls like russian instrument instructions, short endurance, using Pakistani languages with control tower (which was also manned by Pakistanis) etc.
     
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    I don't think JF-17 is fit for Egyptian air force. The Egyptian air force never rejected the JF-17. They just never got ahead with aqcuistion because they always had other choices.

    Egypt can buy expensive fighters as you have stated. Egypt should continue on the same path of aqcuiring Rafale and other expensive fighters. Clearly JF-17 doesn't fulfil Egyptian requirements.

    The JF-17 is a good fit for PAF. JF-17 program was initiated between China and Pakistan. Pakistan is the main beneficiary and operates the biggest fleet of JF-17 fighters. PAF is focused on creating domestic fighters. Luckily we have China who can assist PAF. The goal is to produce fighters that fulfil our own requirements. Another big goal is to produce our own spare parts. We don't want to be reliant on others for spares.

    JF-17 wasn't specifically produced as an export fighter initially. It was meant to replace aging aircraft in PAF inventory. The JF-17 has become a popular fighter that has caught the eye of other air forces around the world. Hence the sale to third party nations.

    It is a fact that Egyptian air force has lacked BVR capability in the past. The Egyptian air force was serious to aqcuire the JF-17 in the past because they lacked a BVR capable platform. It seems that requirement is fulfilled hence there is no need for JF-17.

    JF-17 or FC-1 as you like to call it has enough potential to be sold around the world. Whether the Egyptian air force "rejects" or accepts this fighter won't make any difference. Not every air force can buy Rafale or Su-35 like the Egyptian air force.

    Do you really think that by buying Russian fighters the Egyptian air force can avoid pressure? As long as you remain reliant on others pressure cannot be avoided. The truth is that Egypt would love to produce its own fighter along the JF-17 joint venture model. However, that is not an easy undertaking. Buying off the shelf as opposed to producing a fighter from scratch is always an easier option. It took Pakistan and China decades before churning out block I and II. Finally a more advanced block III is soon going to be unveiled. It is hard work, patience and self-belief that leads to the end product.
     
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    Yes. MM Alam was horrified to see the status of Syrian AF. PAF pilots made copies of any manual they could get their hands on and try to translate.
     
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    Egypt never tested the JF-17. Egypt has always shown interest in the past due to lack of BVR capability. I believe that Pakistan and particularly China have not entertained Egyptian demand for BVR ToT.

    This latest rumour is not credible in my opinion.
     
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    No country will sell its core technology to another.

    Egypt has its own example. They have thousands of Abrams, and a tank plant.. yet even in 2019, they are importing takk kits from US for assembling.
     
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    Absolutely. There is no chance of ToT for BVR.
     
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    They said 3 sq off the shelf and then start production.. so here you go..

    Egypt needs to replace its old light fighters too..J-7,F-5...etc, hence the interest in the JF-17.. for Medium and heavy fighters, Egypt can buy more Rafale, Mig-35 and SU-35..
     
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    Can light fighters even compete with Israeli heavy fighters? F-35 will tear up JF-17.
     
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    They will be for air defence of the land .. and yes with AESA radar they still have a good chance against anything..

    Who told you they are closed..update yourself..
     
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  13. Philip the Arab

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    I doubt the AESA radar on the JF-17 could detect the F-35 until 10km. It is made to detect 3m2 RCS targets, and not 0.0001m2 RCS targets. Thr F-35 AESA would kill the JF-17 before it knew the F-35 was in the air, if you can't get a lock with a PL-15 you cant use it. Also, if there is a pair of F-35s one can use the radar as a radar jammer while the other uses it as a radar.
     
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    18 km=detection and 14 km=engagement
    f-35 rcs=0.005 sqm
    jf-17 is not meant to engage with f-35, it's a cheap modern solution to fill the gaps in EAF
    a single plane can do that.
     
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    What kind of gaps will it fill in your opinion?