It will cost 1 billion $ per aircraft hahaha
It would be absolutely ridiculous if the price of an tranche 5 Rafale would be anywhere around that figure since those are only 2 maybe 3 year away at tops and I forget who mentioned that stealthy aircraft are the thing of the future and if Dassault doesn't have it in their design Sofware that by the tranche 4.1.1 that would will start to see some serious changes to the stealthy aerodynamics of the aircraft, then they'll quickly be left behind. The same applies to the Eurofighter Typhoon since both of those aircraft were not only based on the cold war efforts and being way ahead of the curve for those times where you had the venerable F-14A, the also venerable F-16 & f-15s & Mirages (also Delta Wings) and Panavia Tornado designed specifically for going up mostly against not only the venerable MiG-21, but by the middle of the CW it was the scary and little known MiG-29A, the wicked scary MiG-25A which turned out to be an unfortunate dud and in-between you had recon aircraft like the MiG-27 and the slightly more maneuverable MiG-23 coupled by a slew of Sukhoi's such as the Su-12 and the variable geometry Su-22 etc.
So the west had its hands full and along came the 4 countries of NATO that said hey, we need to make our own CONGLOMORATE aircraft to also enter as a united front of a 4-ship country designing an air superiority fighter that can easily be a dual-role in the Eurofighter Typhoon even if France bows out and does its own thing in the Rafale, that will only add to our overall power against the Soviet Union in the air.
Hence the birth of not only all the aircraft I mentioned, but quite a few more but for the sake of our discussion about the tranche models, the Saudis wanting 200 while the UAE wants 80 that's more than double and my overall point is that by the time the Rafale Tranche for both those countries are ready to be built, they need to not only improve on the standard items such as the Fussion cockpit, the linkage, the weapons load but more importantly, they need to heavily invest into changing the design of the aircraft to accommodate stealthy features. Then don't need to make brand new designs, just run a stealth line right down the middle and avoid 90-degree angles and use a hell of a lot more composite material than yet the 70% they already are. The same goes for the Eurofighter Typhoon because aircraft that were designed to be air superiority for the middle to the end of the cold war were designs of long ago and the fighter world is moving very fast.
The main reason for the success of the Rafale is the countries that were and/or knew they would be designed the stealthy F-35, went out and bought the Rafale despite the son of a bitch costing more fly away money!
So both the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon by the time they reach the Tranche 5 model need to show substantial structural changes that support stealthiest and not necessarily RAM that gets washed off in lightning and strong rain weather which brings in the new composite air panels with the F-35 is already using to reduce the maintenance and need for RAM coatings.
This is what we're expected to be flying these Rafales in the tranches of today. With MICA IR, ER, 250KH AASM HAMMERS PGMs and a pair of meteor and lose the belly tank or the pair of wing drop tanks for a pair of SCALP cruise missiles. This is what's flying today and what people are wanting to but, and gen 4+++ but for Saudiya and even the UAE to get to their birds, the level will need to rise exponentially.
It's going to need to resemble something a little less drastically something like this:
Or maybe something much more drastically different since we all well know that a pair of canted horizontal stabilizers are much more important in getting rid of that pesky radar returning single H-Stan with that distinctive 90 degree angle.
Something in the very distant future.
I'm 100% sure that the French Rafale engineer teams for future designs and cost are or have already been working on these things for a few years now already and I wouldn't be surprised if they already have a prototype or two for testing already. Always gotta stay ahead of the game at all times.
The same will MOST certainly apply to the Eurofighter Typhoon but imagine engineers taking something like this and trying to make it stealthy? This would be a tremendous challenge that might not be doable without a complete change.
This is very drastic, but this might be what is needed provided they find a way to keep the cost down like the brilliance of Lockheed Martin which has caused NATO and non-NATO aligned and permitted to flock to the US and get in line for purchasing the F-35. Noth Eurocanards will need to do the same thing if they want to maintain the same or similar or even better results. I think the lower belly intakes will most certainly need to be something of the past. No more.
What do you think of the first two pieces that entered the service in the Italian Navy? I think it will be the share of Egypt, a quick receipt
I don't know. They gave us the first two Bergamini for about $1,2 billion as an act of g0od faith with the two ships having been introduced to the Italian navy just a few months prior to that. So I consider that an incredible act of generosity and good businiess and of a country and company that does want our business and is committed to even giving us some of its own platforms if we need them in a time of war which SAYS A LOT! Sending a message of that caliber is beyond amazing and for Italy, Fincantieri and even Leonardo makes them all look good despite what Leonardo did merging with the Jewish company was not in our favor but we just have to be careful.
Back to the ships, I think that if they did that once in the amount of approximately $1 billion is crazy and I'm not sure they would do it again since now they have already shown good faith, why do it again and nothing in those links suggest they would do it again because no is the time to sit down and iron our the mega deal with the remaining 4 FREMMs, 24 Falaj Corvettes and 24 Eurofighter Typhoons. Not sure if anything else has been added but I think the Italians are going to want to make a deal and close it very soon since they have already shown good faith and I think they expect Egypt to do the same thing.
What make you think they will be sending an additional pair of Bergamini to the EN? And for how much? I (and I'm sure many others) would love to know what your reasoning is.