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Only if it is Tejas MK-II

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An upgraded version of the Indian medium-class fighter, which has undergone a lot of improvements compared to the MK1 version.

The weight of the fighter increased from 13.5 tons in the MK1 version to 17.5 tons in the second version, while its load of weapons increased from 3.5 tons to 6.5 tons and its fuel load increased from 2.4 tons to 3.3-3.4 tons in the second version..

The new version is expected to make its first flight in 2023 and enter production by 2025-2026

The crew of the fighter is a pilot or pilot and navigator according to the version, its length is 14.6 meters, its width is 8.5 meters, its height is 4.8 meters, its empty weight is 7.8 tons, its total weight is 11.3 tons, its maximum weight at take-off is 17.5 tons, its external load of weapons and additional fuel tanks is 6.5 tons.

It is powered by an American General Electric F1414 engine, which is the same engine that works on the American F-18 fighters, the Korean fifth generation fighters and the Swedish Saab fighter. The engine has a power of 98 kN. It is said that in the future the fighter will be equipped with a more powerful 110 kN engine. The fighter’s maximum flight speed is 2385 km per hour, the fighter’s range is 2500 km, the return trip is 1500 km, and it reaches 3,500 km, with three additional tanks that fly at an altitude of 17.3 km from the surface of the earth and can refuel by breastfeeding.

The fighter is armed with a 30 mm machine gun for close engagement and is equipped with 13 external points for carrying weapons and fuel storages. It is planned for this version to be armed with the European Meteor air combat missile with a visibility range of 170/200 km, the French Mica radar and thermal missiles, the Indian Aster air-to-air missile and the Brahmos air missiles. Anti-ship surface, local cruise and anti-air defense missiles, Israeli bombs and small-diameter munitions, in addition to its ability to carry various Russian weapons and British weapons, led by the short-range Asram air-to-air missile.

India says that it will equip the fighter with a local ESA radar and electronic warfare systems, and it can carry aIso n demand..Israeli, American or French pod for monitoring and targeting, .

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Avionics and radar, India said it will replace it with modern and local technology, and this is in the new version

As for the engine, they also manufacture it locally with a stronger version of the American engine..

And some technologies you can take from France or Italy..

India says it will manufacture the new radar, UTTAM by 95%, and production will start in 2025. Of course, the radar is based on Israeli technology, no matter what the Indians claim..

The local engine is sure from The Safran-Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. India has contracted with France to produce the Rafale M88 engine for use on the locally made fifth generation aircraft.

Astra missiles, Israeli technology

In general, we have been hearing news of Egypt's interest in this fighter for a long time, but do not glorify a fighter that has not been tested yet and has not proven its marketing success.

But for Egypt to have an advanced air-frame manufacturing technology from any country in the world is a technical treasure..

This version is still just ink on paper that has not seen the light and was not even made as a prototype for experiments. The best that India has from Tejas is the current MK1A version, which is less capable than the Pakistani JF-17 Block III and more expensive than the Pakistani one.

As for the Indian helicopters, especially the LAH, I won't waste my time talking about them, just look at them so you know they're bad..

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As for the HAL Dhruv, it is a bad helicopter in the true sense of the word, and it has a bad record of crashes inside and outside India. The State of Ecuador withdrew it from service after the accidents it had suffered.

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Egypt has a lot of experience with the Gazelle and its manufacturing..so it can improve on these a lot..

The Thing is if India can transfer the software they took from France and Usrael.. And their missile assembly line.. then it might be worth it .. otherwise it is a no..
 
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What about this Mossad you seem to worship!?
Didn't Egypt and the Arabs F**cked it between 1967 and 1973..???

Things you don't seem to know about Morocco:

Morocco's largest military intervention abroad

An infantry battalion, an armored unit of 10,000 men (officer and soldier), hundreds of tanks, aircraft and F5 fighters ranked Moroccan forces in third place. The podium place for the Arab units after Iraq and Jordan.



The Battle of Bir Atheeb between the Moroccan Expedition and two Israeli tank brigades west of the Canal in the October 1973 war



What you don't seem to know about Algeria:

we are talking about the current situation i dont care how many jews they exterminated in 1973. And the GIS is the one who deceived them and the fact theyre not working alone the CIA and MI6 are with them. This arab nato will not work without algeria and morroco stop dickwaving each other

until the arab league isnt the most useless organization on the planet then an arab nato is feasible
 
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Only if it is Tejas MK-II

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An upgraded version of the Indian medium-class fighter, which has undergone a lot of improvements compared to the MK1 version.

The weight of the fighter increased from 13.5 tons in the MK1 version to 17.5 tons in the second version, while its load of weapons increased from 3.5 tons to 6.5 tons and its fuel load increased from 2.4 tons to 3.3-3.4 tons in the second version..

The new version is expected to make its first flight in 2023 and enter production by 2025-2026

The crew of the fighter is a pilot or pilot and navigator according to the version, its length is 14.6 meters, its width is 8.5 meters, its height is 4.8 meters, its empty weight is 7.8 tons, its total weight is 11.3 tons, its maximum weight at take-off is 17.5 tons, its external load of weapons and additional fuel tanks is 6.5 tons.

It is powered by an American General Electric F1414 engine, which is the same engine that works on the American F-18 fighters, the Korean fifth generation fighters and the Swedish Saab fighter. The engine has a power of 98 kN. It is said that in the future the fighter will be equipped with a more powerful 110 kN engine. The fighter’s maximum flight speed is 2385 km per hour, the fighter’s range is 2500 km, the return trip is 1500 km, and it reaches 3,500 km, with three additional tanks that fly at an altitude of 17.3 km from the surface of the earth and can refuel by breastfeeding.

The fighter is armed with a 30 mm machine gun for close engagement and is equipped with 13 external points for carrying weapons and fuel storages. It is planned for this version to be armed with the European Meteor air combat missile with a visibility range of 170/200 km, the French Mica radar and thermal missiles, the Indian Aster air-to-air missile and the Brahmos air missiles. Anti-ship surface, local cruise and anti-air defense missiles, Israeli bombs and small-diameter munitions, in addition to its ability to carry various Russian weapons and British weapons, led by the short-range Asram air-to-air missile.

India says that it will equip the fighter with a local ESA radar and electronic warfare systems, and it can carry aIso n demand..Israeli, American or French pod for monitoring and targeting, .

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Avionics and radar, India said it will replace it with modern and local technology, and this is in the new version

As for the engine, they also manufacture it locally with a stronger version of the American engine..

And some technologies you can take from France or Italy..

India says it will manufacture the new radar, UTTAM by 95%, and production will start in 2025. Of course, the radar is based on Israeli technology, no matter what the Indians claim..

The local engine is sure from The Safran-Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. India has contracted with France to produce the Rafale M88 engine for use on the locally made fifth generation aircraft.

Astra missiles, Israeli technology

In general, we have been hearing news of Egypt's interest in this fighter for a long time, but do not glorify a fighter that has not been tested yet and has not proven its marketing success.

But for Egypt to have an advanced air-frame manufacturing technology from any country in the world is a technical treasure..

This version is still just ink on paper that has not seen the light and was not even made as a prototype for experiments. The best that India has from Tejas is the current MK1A version, which is less capable than the Pakistani JF-17 Block III and more expensive than the Pakistani one.

As for the Indian helicopters, especially the LAH, I won't waste my time talking about them, just look at them so you know they're bad..

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As for the HAL Dhruv, it is a bad helicopter in the true sense of the word, and it has a bad record of crashes inside and outside India. The State of Ecuador withdrew it from service after the accidents it had suffered.

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Egypt has a lot of experience with the Gazelle and its manufacturing..so it can improve on thes a lot..

The Thing is if India can transfer the software they took from France and Usrael.. And their missile assembly line.. then it might be worth it .. otherwise it is a no..
The problem is that the Gazelle is old so we can't upgrade them more. We must buy or produce locally a new one. I am sure Egypt will choose the best option exactly like we did with the AW-139.
 

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we are talking about the current situation i dont care how many jews they exterminated in 1973. And the GIS is the one who deceived them and the fact theyre not working alone the CIA and MI6 are with them. This arab nato will not work without algeria and morroco stop dickwaving each other

until the arab league isnt the most useless organization on the planet then an arab nato is feasible

Yeah I agree with most of what you've said about this. I also think that currently, with the already formed alliance between Saudiya, UAE & Egypt that it actually becomes the core of the organization and call it something other than the Arab NATO. NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization and we would need to call it MENA or something along those lines.

That triad alliance already exists anyway, just solidify it with a formal statement and then these 3 powerhouses would become the principle members with voting and vetoing power. If and when others want to join, then the triad can decide by vote.

The only drawback to this kind of alliance is that in order to have an actual, operating one, the members need to pitch in a percentage of their GDP unless they would think of a different way to finance it. Other than that, the example of the UAE & Egypt halting turkish ambitions in Libya and stopping them in their tracks from infiltrating Egypt with their terroristic & destabilizing motivations (which is another reason why we need to have nothing to do with them at all) has already been an example of this triad alliance. Same with Yemen.

So that's all that's needed for now, we don't need to emulate what the west has done to the T. We can do something different and much more amenable to our security needs.

June 30th Anniversary.

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Yeah I agree with most of what you've said about this. I also think that currently, with the already formed alliance between Saudiya, UAE & Egypt that it actually becomes the core of the organization and call it something other than the Arab NATO. NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization and we would need to call it MENA or something along those lines.

That triad alliance already exists anyway, just solidify it with a formal statement and then these 3 powerhouses would become the principle members with voting and vetoing power. If and when others want to join, then the triad can decide by vote.

The only drawback to this kind of alliance is that in order to have an actual, operating one, the members need to pitch in a percentage of their GDP unless they would think of a different way to finance it. Other than that, the example of the UAE & Egypt halting turkish ambitions in Libya and stopping them in their tracks from infiltrating Egypt with their terroristic & destabilizing motivations (which is another reason why we need to have nothing to do with them at all) has already been an example of this triad alliance. Same with Yemen.

So that's all that's needed for now, we don't need to emulate what the west has done to the T. We can do something different and much more amenable to our security needs.

June 30th Anniversary.

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Only if it is Tejas MK-II

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An upgraded version of the Indian medium-class fighter, which has undergone a lot of improvements compared to the MK1 version.

The weight of the fighter increased from 13.5 tons in the MK1 version to 17.5 tons in the second version, while its load of weapons increased from 3.5 tons to 6.5 tons and its fuel load increased from 2.4 tons to 3.3-3.4 tons in the second version..

The new version is expected to make its first flight in 2023 and enter production by 2025-2026

The crew of the fighter is a pilot or pilot and navigator according to the version, its length is 14.6 meters, its width is 8.5 meters, its height is 4.8 meters, its empty weight is 7.8 tons, its total weight is 11.3 tons, its maximum weight at take-off is 17.5 tons, its external load of weapons and additional fuel tanks is 6.5 tons.

It is powered by an American General Electric F1414 engine, which is the same engine that works on the American F-18 fighters, the Korean fifth generation fighters and the Swedish Saab fighter. The engine has a power of 98 kN. It is said that in the future the fighter will be equipped with a more powerful 110 kN engine. The fighter’s maximum flight speed is 2385 km per hour, the fighter’s range is 2500 km, the return trip is 1500 km, and it reaches 3,500 km, with three additional tanks that fly at an altitude of 17.3 km from the surface of the earth and can refuel by breastfeeding.

The fighter is armed with a 30 mm machine gun for close engagement and is equipped with 13 external points for carrying weapons and fuel storages. It is planned for this version to be armed with the European Meteor air combat missile with a visibility range of 170/200 km, the French Mica radar and thermal missiles, the Indian Aster air-to-air missile and the Brahmos air missiles. Anti-ship surface, local cruise and anti-air defense missiles, Israeli bombs and small-diameter munitions, in addition to its ability to carry various Russian weapons and British weapons, led by the short-range Asram air-to-air missile.

India says that it will equip the fighter with a local ESA radar and electronic warfare systems, and it can carry aIso n demand..Israeli, American or French pod for monitoring and targeting, .

View attachment 857913

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Avionics and radar, India said it will replace it with modern and local technology, and this is in the new version

As for the engine, they also manufacture it locally with a stronger version of the American engine..

And some technologies you can take from France or Italy..

India says it will manufacture the new radar, UTTAM by 95%, and production will start in 2025. Of course, the radar is based on Israeli technology, no matter what the Indians claim..

The local engine is sure from The Safran-Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. India has contracted with France to produce the Rafale M88 engine for use on the locally made fifth generation aircraft.

Astra missiles, Israeli technology

In general, we have been hearing news of Egypt's interest in this fighter for a long time, but do not glorify a fighter that has not been tested yet and has not proven its marketing success.

But for Egypt to have an advanced air-frame manufacturing technology from any country in the world is a technical treasure..

This version is still just ink on paper that has not seen the light and was not even made as a prototype for experiments. The best that India has from Tejas is the current MK1A version, which is less capable than the Pakistani JF-17 Block III and more expensive than the Pakistani one.

As for the Indian helicopters, especially the LAH, I won't waste my time talking about them, just look at them so you know they're bad..

View attachment 857917

As for the HAL Dhruv, it is a bad helicopter in the true sense of the word, and it has a bad record of crashes inside and outside India. The State of Ecuador withdrew it from service after the accidents it had suffered.

View attachment 857918

Egypt has a lot of experience with the Gazelle and its manufacturing..so it can improve on thes a lot..

The Thing is if India can transfer the software they took from France and Usrael.. And their missile assembly line.. then it might be worth it .. otherwise it is a no..

I honestly don't think anything will transpire from this. Yeah the MK2 is pretty nice, as a local best can do double of the Rafale with Tejas blood in it. But this really does not have any substantive value for Egypt, not even worth just the production line experience because they'll get stuck with these aircraft that most certainly will not be to its full capability.

I believe HAL is only coming to Egypt to make a presentation and offer but I don't expect the EAF to accept anything, really. Simply because it will be so restricted that it becomes not worth the trouble. If they somehow manage to include things like the ASTRA missile and much higher level weaponry, even the Brahmos and definite alternative to any of the Israeli garbage they install in them AND an AESA radar that doesn't belong to any off the shelf componentry, then maybe. Even then, think of the huge security liability it would be to work with the Indians, and nothing against them personally. As you are quite aware of, I'm a huge fan of the IAF. But as long as they have this highly elevated relationship with the Jews, it serves us no practical reasons to indulge in such a complex venture.

I would be much more inclined to pursue the FC-31/JF-17 through China/Pakistan like the K-8 and first test all the missiles and weaponry that would come with it and see how well they perform as we have no information on how well let's say the PL-12 or the eventual PL-15 would perform in combat. Target practice the heck out of all the weapons and then use the Chinese and Pakistanis to start a local production line which we would then know, the chances of these two selling info or means of defeating the weapons to the Jews are almost non-existent.

The EFT also has its problems with the meteor as we very well know. It seems the Chinese/Pakistani route is really the only viable option IMO.

It also relieves us from a possible 3rd delta/canard platform if they truly have ambitions for the Typhoon. It seems the Chinese/Pakistani route is really the only viable option IMO. Perhaps they should possibly consider the Typhoon, regardless of the Meteor only because it will be a very long time before they can add a 3rd Rafale contract with the current commitments Dassault already has, thanks to Egypt's first order opening the door wide open for the French. This way they can boost the delta/canard fleet in the EAF with Typhoons and possibly find a medium to long range missile they can integrate in both aircraft. Perhaps the PL-15?

On a separate note, if the EAF is actually ending up with very limited options for purchasing new, state of the art aircraft. They should seriously consider the induction the Su-35SE as soon as possible to send the US a powerful message.
 
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For me, it is either our Air Force is interesting in HAL Tejas witha big % of ToT or either a try from India so they can marketize to the world.
 
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300 million. Wow

I think it said 200 million ya Basha. :-)

Speaking of WOW! These first group of 2-seatet F-16s are from the first batch of the super rare F-16Bs that the EAF ordered back in 1982-85!!!!!!!! Unbelievable those things are still flying and in such perfect condition! Only 8 Bs were delivered in that period.

This was from Mahmoud's tweet today of Egyptian Air Force & U.S. F-16 fighter jets conduct aerial training operations in support of exercise Agile Phoenix. Seems like a very diverse group of the EAF F-16s from those very old Bs to the latest Block 52 Aggressors.

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I think it said 200 million ya Basha. :-)

Speaking of WOW! These first group of 2-seatet F-16s are from the first batch of the super rare F-16Bs that the EAF ordered back in 1982-85!!!!!!!! Unbelievable those things are still flying and in such perfect condition! Only 8 Bs were delivered in that period.

This was from Mahmoud's tweet today of Egyptian Air Force & U.S. F-16 fighter jets conduct aerial training operations in support of exercise Agile Phoenix. Seems like a very diverse group of the EAF F-16s from those very old Bs to the latest Block 52 Aggressors.

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And these are just a collectors edition beautiful
 

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