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Plus this war isn't helping that cause, either. The way I look at it is they currently have 4 completed production models, aside from the 10 prototypes. The VVS I think has ordered 78, or something like that? So if the war wraps up in the next couple of months and they get back on track, they can have half that number of aircraft built for the VVS by 2025. By then the EAF should have their F-15s arriving around the same time, then they can negotiate a contract for the Su-75 to commence as soon as they finish the VVS' order which should be around 2027 or so. Then the EAF starts receiving them around 2030 give or take.

Otherwise, what is the other option? J-20 is not for export. China has already claimed that if I'm not mistaken. Besides, that aircraft is really designed for a massive territory just like China because it carries A LOT of fuel. It might not be the practical choice for the EAF anyway. Not sure where the J-31 is at. That might be right along the same process as the Checkmate.

The Checkmate won't go into production until 2027.

https://ria.ru/20220518/checkmate-1789227882.html

Now if this aircraft is not being built for the VVS and is strictly for export contracts like they claimed it would be at the unveiling, then this might be the better option as far as timing is concerned. However, that might not be so smooth with all the required testing time that would be needed before they can produce contracted platforms. So realistically, that's also the soonest would be 2030 for that platform. The Su-57 is already tested and just needs to be produced with the finalized items taken care of.
I still pessimistic so let's see in the future.

I think China have put J-31for export and they are willing maybe in the future to export J-20. Coincidentally, the Interior Minister of Pakistan was the one who announced the purchase of J-10C and they bought it and few months (March 2022 I think) he said that Pakistan will likely to acquire J-20. So if he confirms that means that the J-20 is or will on the market in the upcoming months or years.
 

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The problem of the Americans believes that the Egyptian-American relationship is related to the head of state, so even the attempts to promote Gamal Mubarak as an alternative to Sisi and a competitor to him stem from the consideration that the Egyptian-American military races are not good at all in the current era since 2013 as a result of the Americans’ ignorance that Egypt plans to get rid of the American control over the market Egyptian weapon
Since 2003, he has mobilized financial resources to buy repairs from outside America, since 1989, when the Egyptian army began transferring part of the budget allocations to economic investments to provide financing for the purchase of butchery. Since 2003, it has been receiving the largest amount of American weapons from armament surpluses to provide huge stocks for the phase of disposal of weapons. The American pressure, which caused the turmoil in relations between Egypt and America, had no effect on arming the Egyptian army. The huge stockpiles of spare parts made any American pressure worthless.
Consequently, in 2012, the Egyptian ballistic missile program was strongly active with China
2013 Purchase of weapons from Russia to increase stocks of small arms anti-tank weapons to give complete war needs away from American weapons
The smooth transition of the MiG-29 fighters, Egypt almost signed a contract in 2006 to purchase 80 MiG-29SMT aircraft, 24 Su-35 fighters, and purchase YAK-130 aircraft.
It is an insult to Egypt that it obtained the F-15 planes after 40 years of requesting them. The Americans do not change their plans to provide unsophisticated weapons to the Egyptian army. Even the frivolous TOW-2B missile has been America’s luxury so far. It has been supplied to Egypt. Hence, the great delusion that Egypt will get something valuable from America, and they are for the naive. Only will Egypt give up the MiG-29 and the Sukhoi-35, of course not, so the Americans refuse even Egypt to supply natural gas to Lebanon. America wants an obedient dog to rule Egypt and not an independent policy. We still see that the Sukhoi-35 is 1000 times better than the 15 thousand Russians, Egypt always succeeds in putting pressure on them in the field of technologies Armament The ANTAY-2500 missiles, when they arrived in Egypt, refused to receive them before developing a better standard, and the Russians were forced to do so
Sukhoi-35 N-036 radar integration tests are working fine
The T-90Ms that Egypt will get is a hybrid tank between the T-14 and T-90MS technology that the Russians initially offered
Egypt wants to develop the M1A1 and the development of the M113, but for the best standard and at a low cost, the Americans do not offer anything good or of value to Egypt, so their offers are always rejected. The best thing for Egypt is a program to produce a national tank using Western technology and develop through it a fleet of M1A1 tanks locally without any American interference
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The Americans, their frivolous offers related to the offer to produce the Bell-412 helicopter locally, and Egypt chose the AW-149, while America itself chose the AW-139M.
We, as the people of Egypt, prefer to deal in the Russian ruble, the yuan and the Indian rupee in trade with the Russians, the Chinese and the Indians. This solves the problem of the dollar in Egypt, basically the opposite of the monetary policy maker in Egypt, who spares the palm from the dollar, so the Egyptian economic problems are basically related to the courage of taking the decision to deal with national currencies in foreign trade with The other dollar and reducing dependence on the Swift. America lives on the strength of the spread of the dollar, not its economic strength, which shrinks every year
Egypt has been wanting for 20 years to produce Hummers, and when the Americans agreed recently, Egypt got the least developed engines and older chassis, which makes the option of military cooperation in manufacturing with the Americans a baffling failure only. The price of the HJ-12E missile is 60 thousand dollars. The price of the HJ-11 missile does not exceed 20 thousand dollars, and the US TOW does not provide technical superiority over them. Thus, this shows the extent of Egypt's loss from dealing with the Americans outside the framework of military aid. America buys propaganda for its weapons through deals with Egypt that is greater than the value of the level. The technical backwardness of the TOW-2A missile
Consequently, in 2012, the Egyptian ballistic missile program was strongly active with China
2013 Purchase of weapons from Russia to increase stocks of small arms anti-tank weapons to give complete war needs away from American weapons
Smooth transition of MiG-29 fighters, Egypt almost signed a contract in 2006 to purchase 80 MiG-29SMT aircraft, 24 Su-35 fighters, and purchase YAK-130 aircraft, American offers to American alternatives made Egypt suspend its plans, which have resumed since 2013
It is an insult to Egypt that it obtained the F-15 planes after 40 years of requesting them. The Americans do not change their plans to provide unsophisticated weapons to the Egyptian army. Even the TOW-2B missile is the luxury of America so far, it has been supplied to Egypt. Consequently, the great delusion that Egypt will get something of value from America, and they are only for the gullible. Will Egypt give up the Mig-29 and the Su-35? Of course not, so the Americans refuse even Egypt to supply natural gas to Lebanon. America wants an obedient dog to rule Egypt and not an independent policy. We still see that the Sukhoi-35 is 1000 times better than the F-15 Russians, Egypt always succeeds in putting pressure on them in the field of armament technologies The ANTAY-2500 missiles, when they arrived in Egypt, refused to acquire them before they were developed to a better standard, and the Russians were forced to do so
Sukhoi-35 N-036 radar integration tests are working fine
The T-90Ms that Egypt will get is a hybrid tank between the T-14 and T-90MS technology that the Russians initially offered
Egypt wants to develop the M1A1 and the development of the M113, but for the best standard and at a low cost, the Americans do not offer anything good or of value to Egypt, so their offers are always rejected. The best thing for Egypt is a program to produce a national tank using Western technology and develop through it a fleet of M1A1 tanks locally without any American interference
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The Americans, their frivolous offers related to the offer to produce the Bell-412 helicopter locally, and Egypt chose the AW-149, while America itself chose the AW-139M.
We, as the people of Egypt, prefer to deal with the Russian ruble, the yuan, and the Indian rupee in trade with the Russians, Chinese and Indians. This solves the dollar problem in Egypt, basically the opposite of the monetary policy maker in Egypt, who shuns the palm from the dollar, so the Egyptian economic problems are basically related to courageous decision-making in dealing with national currencies in foreign trade with The other dollar and reducing dependence on the Swift. America lives on the strength of the spread of the dollar, not its economic strength, which shrinks every year
The Americans, Egypt for 20 years, wanted to produce Hummers, and when the Americans agreed recently, Egypt obtained the least developed engines and older chassis, which makes the option of military cooperation in manufacturing with the Americans a baffling failure only. To illustrate a simple example, America offers 5070 TOW missiles at a price of 691 million dollars, or 136 thousand dollars Each missile has a price of 60 thousand dollars, the HJ-12E missile, the HJ-11 missile, its price does not exceed 20 thousand dollars, and the US TOW does not provide technical superiority over them. Thus, this shows the extent of Egypt’s loss from dealing with the Americans outside the framework of military aid. America buys propaganda for its weapons through deals with Egypt that is greater than the value The backward technical level of the TOW-2A missile


The Americans have a vague understanding that the American armor and the humiliation process at the hands of old Russian and Iranian weapons in the Yemeni theater of operations is what made the interest in the American armor so low and gave it a low reputation and reduced its attractiveness, which is simply to make other countries consider the lessons learned from the defeat of the Saudi army in Yemen on The hand of militias such as the Houthis with primitive weapons
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The Saudis themselves are studying the Egyptian experience in diversifying the sources of weapons, especially in the air force, as a result of the American and British pressures on them, and also because of the effectiveness of the F-15 in the Yemeni theater of operations and the lack of a significant impact on them, including the many billions that were spent on them.

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Sadly I have a big doubt about SU-57 like I said in previous posts. Russia can't mass produce it so how they will produce it for other foreign countries.
The same happened with the Mig-35.. but when Egypt bought a version of it.. it went into serial production even for Russia.. So the same can happen with the SU-57.. as for the SU-75 the financing is already available from the UAE..
 
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Still disagree with the f 15 deal, israelis now have been using that platform for decades on end, they know how to counter the aircraft and know every strength and weakness of it. And you wonder why the guys next door are begging america to give them the f 15😒. Best to stick with the Su-35SE since the migs are scheduled to get upgraded to the 35 varient. Also imagine a sukhoi with an AESA radar, yeah, some people would lose alot of sleep knowing those birds are next to them...
Also I almost never heard of the vilkha mlrs system. How does it compare with other mlrs? And i thought egypt was getting the polonez system from belarus.
 

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The Egyptian army has new surprises and deals, the most important of which are Leopard tanks

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Still disagree with the f 15 deal, israelis now have been using that platform for decades on end, they know how to counter the aircraft and know every strength and weakness of it. And you wonder why the guys next door are begging america to give them the f 15😒. Best to stick with the Su-35SE since the migs are scheduled to get upgraded to the 35 varient. Also imagine a sukhoi with an AESA radar, yeah, some people would lose alot of sleep knowing those birds are next to them...
Also I almost never heard of the vilkha mlrs system. How does it compare with other mlrs? And i thought egypt was getting the polonez system from belarus.
Egypt might get both..the Polonez has the advantage of carrying the big missiles of 300 km range.. and the Vilkha is a new development of classical MLRS with some high tech added.. Egypt can absorb the ToT of both easily..
 
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The Egyptian army has new surprises and deals, the most important of which are Leopard tanks

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Egypt might get both..the Polonez has the advantage of carrying the big missiles of 300 km range.. and the Vilkha is a new development of classical MLRS with some high tech added.. Egypt can absorb the ToT of both easily..
Hold up, now they're considering the leopard? I dont see any reason for that if they're set with upgrading the abrams to the m1a2e and k2 egy, possibly t90ms
 

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Hold up, now they're considering the leopard? I dont see any reason for that if they're set with upgrading the abrams to the m1a2e and k2 egy, possibly t90ms
Maybe there is no upgrade to M1A2 in view.. the ultimate Egypt wants is the M1A1E.. if possible, although some sources say that Egypt already has the M1A2, they might want the M1A2E.. like the Saudi M1A2S.. for sure there is no M1A1 SEP3 or 4 for Egypt neither the Usraeli Trophy APS..

Also the Abrams M1A1 production was supposed to go to up to 1500 tanks ..but stopped at 1130.. a gap of almost 400 tanks!?.. so the leopard can be quite interesting if they give some ToT not found in the K2 and the hybrid T-90MS!!!

I guess this was a proposal by Spain to Egypt to explore the possibility of the Leopard.. knowing that Germany won't oppose the deal.. It sounds logical though, since Egypt and Spain have inked many deals during EDEX 2022.. mostly about IFVs and automated Turrets..
 
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This isn't the first time Mahmoud announced that we have MMP.

Maybe there is no upgrade to M1A2 in view.. the ultimate Egypt wants is the M1A1E.. if possible, although some sources say that Egypt already has the M1A2, they might want the M1A2E.. like the Saudi M1A2S.. for sure there is no M1A1 SEP3 or 4 for Egypt neither the Usraeli Trophy APS..

Also the Abrams M1A1 production was supposed to go to 1500 ..but stopped at 1130.. a gap of almost 400 tanks!?.. so the leopard can be quite interesting if they give some ToT not found in the K2 and the hybrid T-90MS!!!

I guess this was a proposal by Spain to Egypt to explore the possibility of the Leopard.. knowing that Germany won't oppose the deal.. It sounds logical though, since Egypt and Spain have inked many deals during EDEX 2022.. mostly about IFVs and automated Turrets..
Germany will never give TotT for the Leopards that is impossible. It is literally the diamond of their mechanized industry. I think Egypt is looking for the spanish Leopard because it has the same "chasis", design etc as the K2..
 
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This isn't the first time Mahmoud announced that we have MMP.


Germany will never give TotT for the Leopards that is impossible. It is literally the diamond of their mechanized industry. I think Egypt is looking for the spanish Leopard because it has the same "chasis", design etc as the K2..OK not the Chassis.. but Egypt has a new policy not to buy anything without T
OK.. obviously not the chassis since it will come with the K2 as well as some very sophisticated equipment.. but Egypt's new policy is not to buy anything that doesn't come with some sort of ToT.. so it might be some small advanced components or ammunition.. but it will be something in ToT for sure.. and since Spain makes the Leopard under license that is open to add its own components as a NATO country..it might throw in its own components as ToT.. so no need for German approval..

It has thicker armor on the turret and glacis plate than the German Leopard 2A6.. and uses a Spanish-designed tank command and control system, similar to the one fitted in German Leopard 2s..

Anyways 400 Leopard 2E (E for España) the variant of the German leopard 2A6 will be a good addition and complement to the Egyptian Abrams.. or a replacement of some M60 Patton..

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OK.. obviously not the chassis since it will come with the K2 as well as some very sophisticated equipment.. but Egypt's new policy is not to buy anything that doesn't come with some sort of ToT.. so it might be some small advanced components or ammunition.. but it will be something in ToT for sure.. and since Spain makes the Leopard under license that is open to add its own components as a NATO country..it might throw in its own components as ToT.. so no need for German approval..
What is your thoughts on Mahmoud's claim about Egypt has MMP for our SOF etc...
 

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What is your thoughts on Mahmoud's claim about Egypt has MMP for our SOF etc...
It is very possible.. since Egypt has a prestigious relationship with France..
I've read about it somewhere and also saw Mahmoud's tweets.. I always thought they are in Egypt..

Egypt has the Rafale in numbers, got ToT for the Gowind, got the Mistrals, negotiating for Scorpene 2000 production, MRTT tankers and much much more.. the MMP is a small item in this context..

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Egypt is considering the purchase of advanced anti-tank guided missile system “Skif”

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State Kyiv Design Bureau Luch has also completed the first round of negotiations with Egypt for Vilkha M multiple launch missile system.

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https://gbp.com.sg/stories/egypt-plans-to-buy-ukrainian-atgms/


As of 2022.. Egypt is operating the Skif ATGM.. according to:

The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) (2022), The Military Balance 2022 (in German) (1st ed.), London: Routledge, ISBN 978-1-032-27900-8
Ukrainians were making some improvements on the Smerch design. I can see why the Russians fear the Ukrainians that build the ships and cargo planes to tank and so on.

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Ukrainians thinking ahead, however I was more of thinking a tripod for the infantry and not on a vehicle turret design. So the weapon system can guard and watch a particular section of the area or act as a guard post or at an intersection of a street.
 

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Egypt should ideally replace older ATGMs with two missile types.

Long range missile such as the Skif and a man portable ATGM with medium range.

These two would replace everything else in service which are reaching obsolescence.



Wonder if EDGE will get into producing ATGMs, wouldn’t be that hard theoretically.
I know you like the Serbian Bumbar (Bumble-bee)

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Still disagree with the f 15 deal, israelis now have been using that platform for decades on end, they know how to counter the aircraft and know every strength and weakness of it. And you wonder why the guys next door are begging america to give them the f 15😒. Best to stick with the Su-35SE since the migs are scheduled to get upgraded to the 35 varient. Also imagine a sukhoi with an AESA radar, yeah, some people would lose alot of sleep knowing those birds are next to them...

I think that we're looking at it from a compatibility aspect as well as the possibility of the potential AMRAAM being included. The benefits of the F-15 seem to outweigh those of the Su-35 because of the number of western platforms as well as weapons integration.

If the US doesn't approve the missiles, then there certainly wouldn't be any choice but to go with the Su-35SE and pile up on as many Rafales as possible to strengthen the western fleet.

Despite only having the AIM-9 Sparrow as the main BVR missile for the F-16s, the EAF has maximized that platform's use and has made great adjustments with alternate platforms that it could still be just fine.

I think we're trying to make sense of what might just be the inevitable.

Serbian Bumbar (Bumble-bee)

lmao. Doesn't sound very tank destructive. :D
 

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Ukrainians were making some improvements on the Smerch design. I can see why the Russians fear the Ukrainians that build the ships and cargo planes to tank and so on.

It's a royal shame the Russians destroyed the only two surviving An-225s. When I first saw them in their hangers pretty much completely destroyed (I highly doubt they could be restored), I was literally devastated. Very sad to see the only two largest aircraft in the world get recklessly destroyed like that. Also weird how the Ukrainians didn't move them to the western part of the country to protect them? I find that also very bizarre since they had quite the long warning that an invasion was coming and naturally the Russians would use their long range artillery as well as huge bombing capabilities.
 

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