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As far as I know there is no HAF thread here.

But let's talk about the photos.

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I agree with Phillip. You should definitely open one and we'll be happy to contribute. There's A LOT of information and photos of the Hellenic Air Force as well as the whole military in general. It could be like this thread which is for the entire armed forces so its much more inclusive. What would you prefer, just air force or the entire armed forces?

Russian build quality looks to have improved with that build it seems.
Indeed. Check out this post.
 

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Egypt, Indra, and ELINT-FD radars

Talks are said to be underway between the Egyptian Ministry of Military Production and Spanish defense company Indra for the procurement of ELINT-FD radar systems.

https://www.indracompany.com/sites/default/files/elint-fd_system_v0916_eng_baja_3_0.pdf
This is great on several levels. The choice to go with Spain is brilliant. Talk about diversification where it was mentioned in the article that @Titanium100 posted in that other thread. This is a great example of that diversification and a good reason for this particular one is not necessarily what most think of if one source halts its support either during a time of war or peace, there would be another to make up for the void. This is more in the line of the unfamiliarity of Spain and Spanish involvement in this particular field of ELINT. Not being a well known actor in the field gives Egypt that bit of distance to keep a certain level of unfamiliarity to the enemies which nowadays come in many different shapes and forms and places. It helps shield Egypt a little bit from that espionage or at least give the enemy and cut-throat friends and pretend friends a bit more work to find out about it. Not that it would help, anyway, since the information collected is what would need to be accessed for anything of value to come out of it, and not necessarily knowing about the system itself that would be beneficial.

The previous platforms that were being used for ELINT and intel gathering were basically US built, including the libraries that were already filled or given as a start. That didn't give Egypt much shielding or privacy in information, with the exception of what they collected after receipt of those platforms. But even those could be compromised, simply by virtue of the source and its access to the platforms.

This way here, there is none of that and the EAF & armed forces can start from scratch, while uploading older information and starting fresh with no compromising whatsoever. That, is the brilliance of this administration and the military personnel the great Sisi and company have instilled.

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B2oulak eh, emta 7a yehsal el kalam da? 2oulena ba2a khalas balash el maya3a de LOL!
 

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Hey @The SC , listen to what is said from minute 5:18 to 5:50 about the R-27 and R-77. Some pretty interesting information and why would they not consider the R-27? That seems a bit strange, doesn't it?

Maybe when he mentions that the R-37 might be in the package may be the reason. That certainly would make sense to bump the R-27 for the R-37 and make much more use of the R-77 as the basis of the BVR missile.

 

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This is great on several levels. The choice to go with Spain is brilliant. Talk about diversification where it was mentioned in the article that @Titanium100 posted in that other thread. This is a great example of that diversification and a good reason for this particular one is not necessarily what most think of if one source halts its support either during a time of war or peace, there would be another to make up for the void. This is more in the line of the unfamiliarity of Spain and Spanish involvement in this particular field of ELINT. Not being a well known actor in the field gives Egypt that bit of distance to keep a certain level of unfamiliarity to the enemies which nowadays come in many different shapes and forms and places. It helps shield Egypt a little bit from that espionage or at least give the enemy and cut-throat friends and pretend friends a bit more work to find out about it. Not that it would help, anyway, since the information collected is what would need to be accessed for anything of value to come out of it, and not necessarily knowing about the system itself that would be beneficial.

The previous platforms that were being used for ELINT and intel gathering were basically US built, including the libraries that were already filled or given as a start. That didn't give Egypt much shielding or privacy in information, with the exception of what they collected after receipt of those platforms. But even those could be compromised, simply by virtue of the source and its access to the platforms.

This way here, there is none of that and the EAF & armed forces can start from scratch, while uploading older information and starting fresh with no compromising whatsoever. That, is the brilliance of this administration and the military personnel the great Sisi and company have instilled.
Spain has access to some US technologies and mostly to European tech.. It uually combines these to make its own systems.. that is what is good about it..you still getting the best world technologies.. and in a safer way..
You know, Belaruss, Ukraine, Serbia and other close partners of Egypt have and proposed similar system to Egypt with TOT.. Egypt _if there is a need of quantity_ can get those sysstems and improve on them with its own knowledge acquired from these Western systems it is operating and procuring now ..

Hey @The SC , listen to what is said from minute 5:18 to 5:50 about the R-27 and R-77. Some pretty interesting information and why would they not consider the R-27? That seems a bit strange, doesn't it?

Maybe when he mentions that the R-37 might be in the package may be the reason. That certainly would make sense to bump the R-27 for the R-37 and make much more use of the R-77 as the basis of the BVR missile.

Most likely that is the reason.. and maybe even having both .. keeping the R-27s if already came with the Mig-35..even if just for training purposes or as reserve..

BTW..Very nice video..
 
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So the more I read about those ELINT radars, the more impressed I became with them and just like I was saying, this following segment is very interesting because it doesn't really tell us if there already is a library installed in the software and if there is, it would be one that contained NATO standard information which is probably less likely that they supplied that. But this section makes it difficult to say for sure one way or the other.

Emitter’s identification by correlation with the Emitters Library. It can be adapted to the customer’s requirements (large experience regarding the NATO standard Data Base). The Applied Software includes programming tools to update or modify the Emitters Library

The Advanced Human Machine Interface is also a great feature and probably included in many of the other systems in the military. It's a common industrial application already in use in many types of systems. So seeing it part of this ELINT radar package is a nice to know it comes with it.

@Gomig-21 .. have you seen the new German MEKO-300 that was just unveiled a week aago.. might be the next 2 ships for EN after the 4 MEKO-200 !?
I didn't see that! Good stuff. That one section that shows the interior component sections lists the 2nd item in the propulsion category as the "emergency propulsion," but it's location on the portside bow is obviously the bow thruster, which can never be an emergency form of propulsion for obvious reasons. Props that are pointed sideways and especially in the bow section are directional in a way that's anything but an emergency propulsion system since that would need to be in the rear facing the rudder to push the ship forward lol. I'm still a little reluctant about German equipment, but I'm sure they know what they're doing.
 

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Hey @The SC , listen to what is said from minute 5:18 to 5:50 about the R-27 and R-77. Some pretty interesting information and why would they not consider the R-27? That seems a bit strange, doesn't it?

Maybe when he mentions that the R-37 might be in the package may be the reason. That certainly would make sense to bump the R-27 for the R-37 and make much more use of the R-77 as the basis of the BVR missile.

SU-35 is getting alot of hype recently. I am out of the loop fill me in
 

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