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French Defense Minister: "I welcome the sale of 30 Rafales to Egypt, a strategic partner. This export success is crucial to our sovereignty and the maintenance of 7,000 industrial jobs in France for 3 years. The Rafale once again shows its technological and operational distinction."


Does this mean the last one will be delivered in 3 years.. meaning 10 Rafale per year for the next 3 years?

Well..unless they are going to be the F4 standard..!

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An official in the French Armed Forces Ministry said that "the 30 Rafale fighters will be delivered to Egypt between 2024 and 2026," adding that the value of the deal is about 4 billion euros..
 
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French Defense Minister: "I welcome the sale of 30 Rafales to Egypt, a strategic partner. This export success is crucial to our sovereignty and the maintenance of 7,000 industrial jobs in France for 3 years. The Rafale once again shows its technological and operational distinction."


Does this mean the last one will be delivered in 3 years.. meaning 10 Rafale per year for the next 3 years?

Well..unless they are going to be the F4 upgrade..!

Oooops!

An official in the French Armed Forces Ministry said that "the 30 Rafale fighters will be delivered to Egypt between 2024 and 2026," adding that the value of the deal is about 4 billion euros..
They're all over with the delivery times, of these, bro. I read (I believe the Florence Parly) tweet which mentioned that the first Rafale will be delivered in 3 years time from signing the contract! I thought that was absolutely crazy but if you think about it, they still have to fulfill India's contract which they have a ways to go while they're getting Greece their 18 units so it makes sense that they won't be able to start building ours for a while.
 

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The F4 standard is part of the ongoing process to continuously improve the Rafale in line with technological progress and operating experience feedback. The F4 standard marks a new step coming in the wake of the standards F1 (specific to the first aircraft of the French Navy), F2 (air-to-ground and air-to-air capabilities), F3 and F3R (extended versatility).

In our role as industrial architect, we will be responsible for implementing innovative connectivity solutions to optimize the effectiveness of our aircraft in networked combat (new satellite and intra-patrol links, communication server, software defined radio).

New functions will also be developed to improve the aircraft’s capabilities (upgrades to the radar sensors and front sector optronics, helmet-mounted display capabilities), and new weapons will be integrated (Mica NG air-to-air missile and 1,000-kg AASM Air-to-Ground Modular Weapon).

Lastly, with regard to availability, we are working under a through-life support contract which will become more “top-down” under the authority of the aircraft manufacturer. F4 will include a new Prognosis and Diagnostic Aid System introducing predictive maintenance capabilities. Other maintenance optimization features are scheduled, particularly with solutions based on Big Data and artificial intelligence. Lastly, the Rafale will be equipped with a new engine control unit.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/press/press-kits/rafale-f4-standard-launched/



They're all over with the delivery times, of these, bro. I read (I believe the Florence Parly) tweet which mentioned that the first Rafale will be delivered in 3 years time from signing the contract! I thought that was absolutely crazy but if you think about it, they still have to fulfill India's contract which they have a ways to go while they're getting Greece their 18 units so it makes sense that they won't be able to start building ours for a while.
Not only that Bro..I'm convinced now it is the F4 standard that EAF has contracted.. since the French upgrade will start in 2022 for the French Rafales..
 

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Not only that Bro..I'm convinced now it is the F4 standard that EAF has contracted.. since the French upgrade will start in 2022 for the French Rafales..
I was thinking about that too because once the assembly lines and all the products are introduced for F4 standard start, you wouldn't think they would be building any previous models.
 

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Lastly, with regard to availability, we are working under a through-life support contract which will become more “top-down” under the authority of the aircraft manufacturer. F4 will include a new Prognosis and Diagnostic Aid System introducing predictive maintenance capabilities. Other maintenance optimization features are scheduled, particularly with solutions based on Big Data and artificial intelligence. Lastly, the Rafale will be equipped with a new engine control unit.
That looks like a new pod not even listed in your other picture of all the attachable features which only included the Damocles pod and a recon pod, but this one looks like something totally new,

Then if you look again at your post with all the armament and features, so many interchangeable weapons between the Rafale and the Typhoon like every one of those GBU Paveways of which we have a very decent stock, just have to deal with the Americans but that shouldn't be much of an issue it's not a Russian aircraft lol. Then you have the Brimstone which are also interchangeable and a few other items. Those two will work very well together if they go for them and use them like they did the Mirage 2Ks.
 

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Egypt ordered additional 30 Rafael not sure what is the current package , Meteor was not part of initial package


The initial Rafale deal included a comprehensive weapons package that comprised the Safran/MBDA Armament Air-Sol Modulair (AASM) Hammer (Highly Agile Modular Munition Extended Range) air-to-ground missile; both variants of the MBDA MICA (Missile d'Interception, de Combat et d'Autodéfense) short- and beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM): MICA (EM) RF, featuring an active radio frequency (RF) seeker, and MICA IR, featuring a dual waveband imaging infrared (IR) seeker; MBDA'’s Exocet AM39 anti-ship missile; and MBDA’s SCALP (Système de Croisière Autonome à Longue Portée) conventionally-armed long-range deep strike weapon (delivery of this weapon was initially blocked because of US ITAR issues but a missile was photographed by Egyptian military media at Gebel el-Basur Air Base earlier this year). It is unclear if additional weapons will be included in this latest deal.
 

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It is unclear if additional weapons will be included in this latest deal.
What do you mean? There was 200 million Euros set aside for weapons from MBDA.

Did you mean SCALP or in general?
Egypt ordered additional 30 Rafael not sure what is the current package , Meteor was not part of initial package
I don't think they were even at the right standard to fire Meteors, they are being upgraded to F3Rs which can fire Meteors though.
 

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We still have some facts here to meditate on:

Theoretically Egypt has:

54 Rafale

29 SU-35

48 mig-29m2

Armament: Meteor + Mica + R-77 + R-73m

Total: 131 fighters with BVR capabilities


On the opposite side (for comparison), we find :

50 F-35A

98 F-15 Ra:am

25 F-15IA

200 F-16 barak/sufa

Armament: Aim-120-C5/6/7/8 + Derby + Python + Aim-9

Total: 373 fighter with BVR capabilities


The superiority is evident here..


Egypt is thus still at the beginning of the road..

The EAF needs at least 100 additional fighters with BVR capabilities, which can be as follows:

- 24 additional fighters, Typhoon or Rafale .. (preferably 48)

- 30 SU-57 or SU-35 fighters .. (preferably 30 more SU-35 and 30 SU-57)

- 50 MiG-35 fighters with AESA radars


Now let's talk reality:

Usrael has only 25 Ra'am and 58 Baz
That is, a total of 83 F-15 aircraft

As for the F-16, it operates 224 aircraft
It has only 97 sofas
The rest is 127 Barak

When we add the 50 F-35A we are talking about 357 fighters

The questions here are:

- How many of these aircraft will be destined for bombing and CAS missions?
- How many of them will be directed at the northern front and how many for air defense?

Another inaccurate assumption is the exclusion of the Sparrow..It is Semi Active but it's still a BVR missile..Therefore, considering the entire Egyptian fleet of 220 F-16s " fighters" without the BVR is inaccurate..

So in reality, an 18 F-16 formation with bomb load and under the protection of 6 Rafale jets with a Meteor and Mica payload only, offer protection comparable to a formation of 24 sofas, with only two bombs and two missiles..

So in reality the deterrence is not conditional on being reciprocal in the same weapon system.. but on the condition that it be present..Deterrence to Usrael is not that you have defensive weapons with which to deflect their fighters .. Rather, your possession of offensive weapons that can incur losses that threaten their existence..

For example, Makedon, the Greek cruise missile; purchasing the project, developing it, and giving it a local Egyptian name.. and integrating it on the Rafale and the rest of the possible air platforms.. The air-to-ground version has a 500 km range..

The Naval version has 800 km range (that can be increased to 1500 km) and can be integrated with the EN Fremm, Meko, Gowind, Berghamini and also on the Scorpene..

As for the land to land missiles:

- A national cruise project that starts from 300 km and ends with 1500 km .
- A 500 km tactical ballistic project And another ballistic version of 1500 km range.

Finally, a lot of investment in drones of all kinds, the development of the electronic warfare capabilities, and possessing a strong industrial base..

These are the elements of real deterrence ..


The danger is not only Usrael..that Egypt is able to repel and respond to it due to the geographical location ..Therefore, Israel will not consider entering into a direct confrontation with Egypt ..Its strategy is based on blitzkrieg and rapid operations ..So since the October War of 73 and after the Treaty of 79 ..For more than four decades, Israel has not tried to provoke Egypt..

Playing in the Nile springs is currently more dangerous than Usrael .. Because of the geographical location It needs purely offensive weapons and advanced transport capabilities, or a base in Sudan.. And with the diplomatic and economic ability to absorb any reaction..
 
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That looks like a new pod not even listed in your other picture of all the attachable features which only included the Damocles pod and a recon pod, but this one looks like something totally new,

Then if you look again at your post with all the armament and features, so many interchangeable weapons between the Rafale and the Typhoon like every one of those GBU Paveways of which we have a very decent stock, just have to deal with the Americans but that shouldn't be much of an issue it's not a Russian aircraft lol. Then you have the Brimstone which are also interchangeable and a few other items. Those two will work very well together if they go for them and use them like they did the Mirage 2Ks.
- Yes this is the ..TALIOS (Targeting Long-Range Identification Optronic System) targeting and laser designator pod..

https://eurasiantimes.com/ioc-of-ta...ire-frances-eye-in-the-sky-to-outflank-china/






- Yes absolutely.. a very good sky- dance duo..

More so There were information stating the cost per operating hour of a Rafale is $18 000 while the cost for Typhoon is only $8000 !

Egypt ordered additional 30 Rafael not sure what is the current package , Meteor was not part of initial package


The initial Rafale deal included a comprehensive weapons package that comprised the Safran/MBDA Armament Air-Sol Modulair (AASM) Hammer (Highly Agile Modular Munition Extended Range) air-to-ground missile; both variants of the MBDA MICA (Missile d'Interception, de Combat et d'Autodéfense) short- and beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM): MICA (EM) RF, featuring an active radio frequency (RF) seeker, and MICA IR, featuring a dual waveband imaging infrared (IR) seeker; MBDA'’s Exocet AM39 anti-ship missile; and MBDA’s SCALP (Système de Croisière Autonome à Longue Portée) conventionally-armed long-range deep strike weapon (delivery of this weapon was initially blocked because of US ITAR issues but a missile was photographed by Egyptian military media at Gebel el-Basur Air Base earlier this year). It is unclear if additional weapons will be included in this latest deal.
"In May 2015, Qatar ordered 160 Meteor missiles to equip the Dassault Rafales of the Qatar Emiri Air Force.[75] Greek Air Force is expected to equip its Rafale fighters with Meteor missiles.[76] Egypt also bought a large batch of those missiles in the framework of the Rafale.[14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)#cite_note-sdarabia.com-14

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That would be quite something, wouldn't it. I doubt les Francais would approve the integration of other weapons' from another manufacturer and lose out on selling theirs, that's usually the @#$#$% problem.
Before this deal, Egypt was planning to double the number of the Rafale in its air force and wa negotiating with France on the number of missiles, especially Meteor and Mica in its new version, with the development of the old Mica and a huge stock of Scalps, more than 300 missiles and bombs that bridge the range gap between the Scalp and the AASM. Egypt was desperate to integrate Emirati Al-Tariq bombs, but France has offered Egypt a type of small diameter guided bombs with a range of 120 km. The Rafale can carry 18 of them per sortie, and another version is equipped with a missile booster with a range of 200 km to cover all ranges of ground bombardment. All Through the UAE or obtaining a license to manufacture it locally,,,

Egypt is also negotiating the UAE's Mirage 2K-9 as an alternative to the out-of-service Mirage 5

https://www.defenseworld.net/

So, the Italians are very eager to make mega deals and they DID NOT remove the VLS launcher spaces in the two magnificent Berghamini FREMMs for Egypt like the French who BLOCKED the entire room because it can be used to install land attack VLC missiles. The Italians said we will leave them empty and we assume you will request VLS cells for Aster 30 ship to air missiles and if you do something different.........we don't know anything about it al bruta facha!
French Navy successfully fires MdCN naval cruise missile from FREMM frigate Bretagne

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...uise-missile-from-fremm-frigate-bretagne.html

This is the 250 km + range.. that Egypt an Morocco can get for their French Fremm.. it was not tested and available yet ..at that time of purchase..


They call it Naval Scalp :






 
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Getting there! Talking to some other Russian (I think he is although his English is flawless) and he pointed that he just realized the Su-57 with the "blend-wing" technology but mostly because the engines are spread wide between the two for several reasons. In the Su-57 it's for the weapon's bays and the Su-27 family leading to these Su-35SEs is that he noticed because of such wide build accompanied by the LERX with the LACVONs that the SU-57 is capable of taking off without any use of flaps whatsoever. Looking down at this new pic of an EAF Su-35SE taking off, it does use its flaps but at a very low setting is all it needs to get airborne. Interesting stuff. If you look at most other aircraft including the F-35, and F-22, F-15 etc. all drop their flaps to full setting for takeoff and and landings. Su-35SE doesn't need it all the way down just enough to slow the air below the wings to help create lift and the horizontal stabilizers are what pitch the now up for take off. check out the flaps, barely dropped.

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Before this deal, Egypt was planning to double the number of the Rafale in its air force and wa negotiating with France on the number of missiles, especially Meteor and Mica in its new version, with the development of the old Mica and a huge stock of Scalps, more than 300 missiles and bombs that bridge the range gap between the Scalp and the AASM. Egypt was desperate to integrate Emirati Al-Tariq bombs, but France has offered Egypt a type of small diameter guided bombs with a range of 120 km. The Rafale can carry 18 of them per sortie, and another version is equipped with a missile booster with a range of 200 km to cover all ranges of ground bombardment. All Through the UAE or obtaining a license to manufacture it locally,,,

Egypt is also negotiating the UAE's Mirage 2K-9 as an alternative to the out-of-service Mirage 5

https://www.defenseworld.net/


French Navy successfully fires MdCN naval cruise missile from FREMM frigate Bretagne

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...uise-missile-from-fremm-frigate-bretagne.html

This is the 250 km + range.. that Egypt an Morocco can get for their French Fremm.. it was not tested and available yet ..at that time of purchase..

They call it Naval Scalp :






I get it know, bro. Thanks for the correction on that wrong assumption on my part, HOWEVER....if the source on the SCALPs I posted is true and Egypt now possesses over 100 of them, that is most certainly a HUGE game changer even with just 24 Rafales. The range we know is 300km or under and so it is a major land attack cruise missile that France has used extensively along with coalition attacks with the US using Tomahawks and so they are potent and watching your video of the explosion, it's massive.

That said, it would seem they shouldn't have a problem allowing the MICA NG Naval Cruise Missile to be imported to Egypt despite it being an offensive weapon and a potent one for land attack munitions which is another item strongly opposed to supply to Egypt. That really was the reason the US pulled that block stunt on the SCALPs and not really because of US parts. I think that was just an excuse because they just don't want Egypt to have such potent OFFENSIVE capabilities and only encourage defensive ones.

But good for the French for making good on their promise and contract and fix the situation rather quickly/ So if that article is true and there are more than 100 aviation SCALPs in Egypt, do you really think they will approve the sale of the naval MICA NG cruise missile to Egypt on top of all the SCALPs? It will be interesting to see, I'm just a pessimist when it comes to strong, offensive weapons to be sold to Egypt and the resistance from powerful entities that usually easily squash the deal. Hopefully France holds its head high and says "if we contracted the naval MICA NG to Egypt, then we will export it to them so matter what.) I see that, then I'll reverse my slight negative stand and do nothing but praise the French. :-)
 

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We still have some facts here to meditate on:

Theoretically Egypt has:

54 Rafale

29 SU-35

48 mig-29m2

Armament: Meteor + Mica + R-77 + R-73m

Total: 131 fighters with BVR capabilities


On the opposite side (for comparison), we find :

50 F-35A

98 F-15 Ra:am

25 F-15IA

200 F-16 barak/sufa

Armament: Aim-120-C5/6/7/8 + Derby + Python + Aim-9

Total: 373 fighter with BVR capabilities


The superiority is evident here..


Egypt is thus still at the beginning of the road..

The EAF needs at least 100 additional fighters with BVR capabilities, which can be as follows:

- 24 additional fighters, Typhoon or Rafale .. (preferably 48)

- 30 SU-57 or SU-35 fighters .. (preferably 30 more SU-35 and 30 SU-57)

- 50 MiG-35 fighters with AESA radars


Now let's talk reality:

Usrael has only 25 Ra'am and 58 Baz
That is, a total of 83 F-15 aircraft

As for the F-16, it operates 224 aircraft
It has only 97 sofas
The rest is 127 Barak

When we add the 50 F-35A we are talking about 357 fighters

The questions here are:

- How many of these aircraft will be destined for bombing and CAS missions?
- How many of them will be directed at the northern front and how many for air defense?

Another inaccurate assumption is the exclusion of the Sparrow..It is Semi Active but it's still a BVR missile..Therefore, considering the entire Egyptian fleet of 220 F-16s " fighters" without the BVR is inaccurate..

So in reality, an 18 F-16 formation with bomb load and under the protection of 6 Rafale jets with a Meteor and Mica payload only, offer protection comparable to a formation of 24 sofas, with only two bombs and two missiles..

So in reality the deterrence is not conditional on being reciprocal in the same weapon system.. but on the condition that it be present..Deterrence to Usrael is not that you have defensive weapons with which to deflect their fighters .. Rather, your possession of offensive weapons that can incur losses that threaten their existence..

For example, Makedon, the Greek cruise missile; purchasing the project, developing it, and giving it a local Egyptian name.. and integrating it on the Rafale and the rest of the possible air platforms.. The air-to-ground version has a 500 km range..

The Naval version has 800 km range (that can be increased to 1500 km) and can be integrated with the EN Fremm, Meko, Gowind, Berghamini and also on the Scorpene..

As for the land to land missiles:

- A national cruise project that starts from 300 km and ends with 1500 km .
- A 500 km tactical ballistic project And another ballistic version of 1500 km range.

Finally, a lot of investment in drones of all kinds, the development of the electronic warfare capabilities, and possessing a strong industrial base..

These are the elements of real deterrence ..


The danger is not only Usrael..that Egypt is able to repel and respond to it due to the geographical location ..Therefore, Israel will not consider entering into a direct confrontation with Egypt ..Its strategy is based on blitzkrieg and rapid operations ..So since the October War of 73 and after the Treaty of 79 ..For more than four decades, Israel has not tried to provoke Egypt..

Playing in the Nile springs is currently more dangerous than Usrael .. Because of the geographical location It needs purely offensive weapons and advanced transport capabilities, or a base in Sudan.. And with the diplomatic and economic ability to absorb any reaction..
According to all available sources Egypt bought 24 Su-35's ( not 29), and 46 Mig29's,atleast 2 of them crashed reducing the 29's numbers in the inventory to 44 (not 48)
 

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