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    Egyptian lawmakers are set to vote on banning women from wearing a full-face Islamic veil, local media reports.

    Parliament is drafting a law which would prohibit women from wearing a niqab in public places and government institutions.

    It follows a ban at Egypt's premier public university in the capital Cairo, which banned lecturers from wearing the niqab in October.

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    Ban: Egyptian Parliament is drafting a law which would prohibit women from wearing a niqab - a full-face Islamic veil - in public places and government institutions (stock image)

    Member of Parliament Amna Nosseir, also a professor of comparative jurisprudence, said the full-face veil is neither an Islamic tradition, not required in the Quran, the Independent reports.

    Dr. Nosseir, a former dean of Al-Azhar University and a member of Egypt's Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, said the niqab is a a Jewish tradition, not Muslim.
    Dr. Nosseir added that while the Quran calls for modest clothing and for women to cover their hair, the holy book of Islam does not ask women to cover their faces.


    The vast majority of Egyptian Muslim women wear a form of veil that covers the hair but leaves the face uncovered.

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    Not required: Egyptian MP Dr. Amna Nosseir (not pictured) argued for the ban, as the niqab is a a Jewish tradition, not Muslim, and that its use is not called for in the Quran

    However the number of women wearing the full niqab veil has increased dramatically in the past 10-20 years.

    In the wake of the increase in niqab wearers, Egypt has imposed a series of restrictions on wearing full-face veil in public.

    In October last year, Cairo University banned all female staff from wearing the full face veil, as it led to 'poor communication' in lectures.



    The niqab had become especially problematic in language courses, where it hindered student-teacher communications, producing low grades and graduates incapable of enunciation, Gaber Nassar, head of Cairo University, said at the time.


    During the national election in October last year, women wearing niqab were told they needed to remove the full Islamic veil if they wished to vote, in order for them to be identified.

    Egypt considers BANNING women from wearing the niqab veil | Daily Mail Online
     
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    Haredi burqa sect
    The Haredi burqa sect (Hebrew: נשות השָאלִים Nešót HaŠälím, meaning "Shal(-wearing) Women"), is a religious group, primarily concentrated in Israel, in which ultra-Orthodox Jewish (Haredi) women claim that modesty calls for aburqa-style covering of the entire body, a shal (plural shalim, English shawl), including a veil covering the face. The garment, which looks more like a niqabthan a burqa, is also called frumka, a play of the word frum (Yiddish for devout) and burqa. The group, which was estimated to number around 100 in 2008 and several hundred in 2011, is concentrated in the town of Beit Shemesh.

    The issue has proven controversial in Haredi circles, with vocal condemnation of the face covering veil by some Haredi organizations, including Edah HaChareidis.

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    Christian headcovering
    Christian headcovering is the veiling of the head by women in a variety of Christian traditions. Some cover only in public worship,[1] while others believe they should cover their heads all the time.[2] The Biblical basis for headcoverings is found in 1 Corinthians 11:2–16.[3] Though head covering was practiced by most Christian women up until the 20th century,[4] it is now a minority practice among contemporary Christians in the West.
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    Judaism, Christianity and Islam all are part of same category of religion and part of same spiritual entity distinguished by Timelines. No wonder they share A LOT of common teachings and traditions.
     
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    Then why only Muslim labelled with this and criticize by west.

    Ghoonghat
    Ghoonghat (ghunghat, ghunghta, laaj, chunni, jhund or Odhni) is a veil or headscarfworn by some married Hindu, Jain and Sikh women to cover their head, and often their face. Generally aanchal or pallu the loose end of a sari is pulled over the head and face to act as a ghunghat. A dupatta (long scarf) is also commonly used as a ghungat. Today, facial veiling by Hindu women as part of everyday attire is now mostly limited to Hindi-speaking areas of India.
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    Hijab is indeed problematic and a production of patriarchal society but any one thinking that they have the right to regulate women's bodies "for their own good" or any other reason is also part of the patriarchy ergo a problem.
     
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    Ask them........ :p:
    Show them pic of Lady Marry ........
    And ask, is she covering her head and body or not? :coffee:
    Back in early 1900, "Niqab" was sign of humble and dignified lady even in Western civilization. Royal family females used to wear it when ever they were supposed to participate in any Public event.....
     
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    The State should have no say in the way people lead their personal lives. Religion is a personal matter. So unless, security is compromised let women choose what they want to wear. If they wish to wear it, let them. If they are being forced to wear it, take action. If they do no wish to wear it, let them. If they are forced to remove it, take action.
     
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    Banning anything had never solved any problem neither it would.
     
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    @OverLoad indeed the matter need to be addressed within the limitations defined by Islam. I am no expert but one thing for sure, Islam is not based or required our logics so better to be practiced as per rules and laws already defined in Quran & Sunnah. I wouldn't care about the lady or gentleman even though holds any superior degree but indeed such subject should be viewed within boundaries of Islam that has vastly taught each & everything in detail.

    Hopefully this will clear many things.

    Niqab-According to Qur'an and Sunnah
     
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    Different interpretations Quran says draw cloth over bodies which can be in shape of dupata / chadar.
     
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    Yes, it was meant to cover the body and personal appearance though Burqa, Shawl, Duppata all can serve the purpose by fulfilling the requirement so naming it differently wouldn't be an issue at all but purpose should be served as per Quran & Sunnah.
     
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    IMO, peoples consider their traditional/country/area views about women as religion, Islam is very clear about how should a women cover herself.

    In al-Ahzab, verse 59, Allah gives the following command to Prophet Muhammad:

    يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ, قُلْ لأَزْوَاجِكَ وَ بَنَاتِكَ وَ نِسآءِ الْمُؤْمِنِيْنَ: يُدْنِيْنَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلاَبِيْبِهِنَّ...

    “O Prophet! Say to your wives, your daughters, and the women of the believers that: they should let down upon themselves their jalabib.

    What is the meaning of “jalabib”?
    Jalabib جَلاَبِيْبٌ is the plural of jilbabجِلْبَابٌ , which means a loose outer garment. See any Arabic dictionary like Lisanu ’l-‘Arab, Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn or al-Munjid.

    Al-Munjid, for instance, defines jilbab as “the shirt or a wide dress—القميص أو الثوب الواسع.” While al-Turayhi, in Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn, defines it as “a wide dress, wider than the scarf and shorter than a robe, that a woman puts upon her head and lets it down on her bosom...”5

    This means that the Islamic dress code for women does not only consist of a scarf that covers the head, the neck and the bosom; it also includes the overall dress that should be long and loose.

    So, for instance, the combination of a tight, short sweater with tight-fitting jeans with a scarf over the head does not fulfill the requirements of the Islamic dress code.

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    Wokarein to Subhanallah ham karein to Astaghfirullah :D
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    Banning things only makes people want something more. Powerful countries with enough soft power beat others with their superior culture.
     
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    Vast majority of women are forced to wear those potato sacks under the familial and societal pressure.Do you think any molla will tolerate their wives or daughters walking on street without those sacks?
    By the way, Good job done by Egypt. :tup:They earned my respect when they whipped the asses of muslim brotherhood.Now that increases several fold.