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Education is not a Solution

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  1. cocomo

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    You need money to invest in R&D.
     
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    Actually that is what is happening currently in Pakistan!

    Engineers arent exactly developing anything! Doctors are reluctant to use lab to test for discoveries and additional reported diseases! PhDs are unemployed and literally twiddling their thumbs!
     
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    Was simply responding to a fallacy I saw in Mangus's post.

    You make India a blood enemy, you say goodbye to growth.

    At the very least.

    Right now the elephant sleeps. Best you don't finger his nethers.

    Cheers, Doc
     
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    You need money to pay the teachers and tuition fees for education too, nothing is done without money any way whether education or research and development. You need "capital" for everything, the question is how you get it, do you produce it yourself or you borrow it from others who are willing to give it to you under certain conditions.
     
  5. Indus Pakistan

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    I don't think India can be made more of a enemy then it is. We now have 70 years of bitter history.
     
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  6. padamchen

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    Think what happened to your psyche after being robbed of Bangladesh.

    Then think of your size and capacity to hurt us.

    Now replace Bangladesh with Kashmir.

    And Pakistan with India.

    Cheers, Doc
     
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    Can trust an Indian to come in and ruin any thread by bringing in India where there is no need. Threads like these should only have Pakistani access.
     
  8. padamchen

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    It was my learned Pakistani friend who pulled India into the discussion first.

    Let the record be straight.

    Cheers, Doc
     
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    His point regarding streaming early on and niche fields is more or less correct, what you do here is create swaths of graduates without the associated industries go into.

    However it's also the very same folks who lead the way in terms of growth and enterpernship i.e. the development he writes about. It's not a coincidence that the likes of Bezoz(Princeton/Amazon) , Gates (Harvard/Microsoft), Zukerberg (Harvard/Facebook) Sergey Brin (Maryland and Stanford/Google), Larry Page ( Michigan and Stanford/Google) , Elon Musk ( Pennsylvania/Tesla), Brian Chesky (Rhode Island design school/Airbnb) etc have all had a strong higher education. The folks who've had a rudimentary education will not produce the start-ups the EX Dean writes about, the correlation is as clear as day.

    Building a holistic education and having the set streams for speciality subjects are mutually inclusive, you need both.
     
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    Pakistan should have had universal education enrollment by 1970. By 1980 Pakistan should have churned out enough scientists, mathematicians, metallurgists, aviation experts, electronic experts, civil engineering experts, auto engineering experts that we should have by 2000s making our own cars, tanks, trains, helicopters, rockets to space, computers, mobiles etc.

    Instead to dump some soil, flatten some hardcore [Romans did it 2000 years ago], tarmac it and call it motorway we need.

    [​IMG]

    We have a population of 200 million. We have mass unemployment so somebody explain to me what is so special about this Chinese athiest? It certainly is not his penis size or his Islamic credentials or piety or he pretty looks. So what has he got that required him to come 2000 miles from China to Pakistan to build motorway? Answer below

    @PAKISTANFOREVER



    education
     
  11. Indus Pakistan

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    If you had 5,000 guys with all the education, skills that built F-22 Raptor in Islamabad are people telling me they would get jobs as rickshaw drivers or would they end up at PAF Kamra making 5th gen stealth for Pakistan?

    If they did it in science subjects they would be used to build eveything from jets to roads.
     
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    Complete BS and coming from a Dean; he needs to be re-educated.

    We have here entire seperate post schooling paths. Techikons - trades professions; Universities + Nursing Colleges. They all work in tandem fullfilling various requirements.

    He is failing to recognise the need for Technikons which offer 3 year programs which btw includes specialisations e.g electrical/electricians/waterworks/drafting/surveying/mining etc including for various services as well e.g. naval maintenance etc.
     
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  13. PAKISTANFOREVER

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    Who needs education when you have low IQ turds blowing themselves up for the "Ummah", for people who consider Pakistanis as a "lesser people".........that is for more productive..........:disagree:

    PS With the types of Muslims Pakistan is producing nowadays, even the most ardent of Athiests and Satanic Devil Worshippers are more "Islamic" than most Pakistanis. Sad but true..........:(


    The ONLY solution left for Pakistan is high calibre nationalism and education. Nothing else can help us. That is the reality........8-)
     
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    This is not a cause and effect relationship. Both go together, progress in one feeding progress in the other, as a virtuous circle. That is how the Industrial Revolution was started.

    Even more important is how does a new entrant get into this virtuous circle in a global economy? If a country wants to produce value-added products that others want to buy, how does one get the process started?
     
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    education is a starter for all economy progress, England at the start of industrial revolution is indeed only the elites got education and enjoy even the luxury of university like Cambridge and Oxford but he is failed to mention the rest of the world doesnt have comparable educated elites with systematic education system capable to nurture batch after batches educated elites without pause. Thats why most important invention at the era only come from Anglo Saxon sphere, Germany, and French in which got almost the same education system. Realized the important of educated bunch of people their government starting to implement universal education system in which made their progress being leap and bound from the rest of the world. Educated people is important to running more complexes economy activities far cry from being a simple farmer with only a cow and hoe at their backyard. Educated farmer capable to running their farms more efficient with mechanized farming tools at their disposal and doing accounting books to made notes for their revenue and expenses and trying to get more capital from banks and so on.