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Economist: USA's War on Terror cost Pakistan $252bn while received aid was $33bn

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  1. Reddington

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    For that we need aggressive diplomacy by the government & sharp diplomats in foreign office.
     
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    And do we have that now? because for a long time the only effective diplomats in our embassies were the Defence Attaches
     
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    Did our government use aggressive diplomacy to tell the world that the recent Pulwama event was an inside job done by RAW??
    Incompetency is everywhere. Government/diplomats are not upto the mark in foreign policy. This has been the case for a long long time.
     
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    I think that's a wee bit of an exaggeration.
     
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    Not really, if you look at all the FDI that was set to flow into Pakistan during early Musharraf era, all that textile business that went from Pakistan to bangla, and all the leather and sports industry and surgical equipment industry would have thrived and our exports would have increased. we would be exporting meat and dairy by the ships and also we would have been exporting tonnes of fruit. so its not far fetched to believe that Pakistan would be in a considerably better shape-if our economy grew at around 7% since 2002, we would be at a 400B mark already especially if CPEC was implemented on time and in an honest fashion. As usual our punjabi and sindhi politicians fucked it up.
     
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    There were many people on PDF who supported Pakistan joining Saudi Arabia and UAE in Yemen war. But wisely Pakistan Parliament refused and now we dodged that bullet and stayed out of Yemen war. UAE and Saudi Arabia would have counted on Pakistan losing it's honor and blood for peanuts from these monarchies. Egypt also refused to participate but UAE and Saudi Arabia only displayed their anger against Pakistan.
     
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    It isn't. Pakistan has lost 200 billion to the Afghan refugee crisis, and 200 billion to the war fight itself.

    It's not an exaggeration to say that Pakistan would have double the current GDP it has right now.

    What you're arguing about is the ideology, not the group itself.
     
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    Groups were already there but had different orientation back then with different names.

    Moreover discounting ideology is a bad thing as it results in focus on end result and not the root cause.
     
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    I agree, ideologies shouldn't be discounted, buts wrong to suggest ttp was there, when it wasn't. While it is true that various groups did exist, most of them were mainly nonviolent, or at least didn't commit violence against the Pakistani state. It wasn't until the Lal Masjid incident, when all these groups banded together and created the ttp, where they unified their ideologies got rid of their differences, and decided to take up arms against the state.
     
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    We are talking about the reason of WOT and terrorists. Names change all the time. Look at the cadre of Isis khurasan which is made up of former TTP elements. I also gave you example of the highway blocking by TSNM.

    There was nothing peaceful about them. They did commit violence against people of the state.

    These groups were already fighting the state in one form or another when PA officially entered FATA in 2004. They were also fighting the people and local law enforcement agencies of the state prior to that.

    Lal masjid operation happened because they challenged the writ of the state resulting in state being morally justified in doing that operation.

    FATA based terrorists just used it as an excuse. They were already involved in fighting with the local population in FATA (can quote examples if required).

    WOT ops done by Pakistan were justified because we needed to enforce the writ of the state in Western provinces (including in those places where no soldier set foot for many decades.) and to protect the local population affected by these terrorists in those areas.

    Those terrorists were not fighting the local population (before PA's presence in those areas) because of Pakistan's involvement in WOT. They were fighting because they wanted to impose their version of sharia and governance in those villages. That also was just a facade. These people were actually goons that used religion to impose hegemony as they craved power, money and influence.

    These groups were already there and in action. They just expanded in 2007 because they got more foreign support during that time.

    Anyone who still thinks that we should have let them be is only fooling himself. These terrorists had territorial ambitions as seen in swat, buner and other areas.

    Anyone who wants to live under them can move to their held territories in Afghanistan or Daesh territory in North Africa, Syria and other places.

    The people "living" in Pakistan certainly don't want to live under their rule.
     
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    For hosting OBL Pak has to reimburse what US spent on WOT .