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East Pakistan loss was a Political not a Military failure, says COAS

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No authoritative and rohab wali awaaz one expects from a general. Bajwa voice is the opposite of his rank and personality. And that DG ISI anjum sounds like vagina talking during periods.
The best graceful and authoritative voice were 1)general kayani 2) general musharaff 3) current Ispr Dg babur is also good.
A general should talk, walk and look like a general.
He does sound like a general. They sell DHA very well. All real estate agents are like that.
 

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It's actually failure of the real estate developers, property dealers, engrossed in unsurping land as DHA estates, as Golf courses, for the mil.elites.

And also making a deal with all the crooked property developers, be it Malik Riaz to Aleem Khan, the eden builders, to Top city, Mumtaz city, City housing in diff. areas, and with Zardari as well, the reason military never went against Zardari.

So yes it's the failure of the property developers, earlier known as Army.
 
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I can only wish there was money involved..Just answer the damn thing..I'm here for a serious talk with the "demoralized" as in yuri bezmenovs words exposure to true Information doesn't matter to a demoralized anymore until...
Well some people work for free.
I wouldn't recommend it

Ah..! The question..
No one has been able to answer it..

Those who tried ended up like Mr. Sharif..not the sharif you love..but the sharif who got "wacked" the sharif who is now "sleeping with the fishes"

It's actually failure of the real estate developers, property dealers, engrossed in unsurping land as DHA estates, as Golf courses, for the mil.elites.

And also making a deal with all the crooked property developers, be it Malik Riaz to Aleem Khan, the eden builders, to Top city, Mumtaz city, City housing in diff. areas, and with Zardari as well, the reason military never went against Zardari.

So yes it's the failure of the property developers, earlier known as Army.
The British trained them well.
They are just maintaining the legacy of British troops.

Same culture same "buttmans"
Each of core commanders had dozens who grow fresh vegetables for them in core commander house in Peshawar my cousin use to be there..


They are the true descendents of our "voice Roy" culture

People tolerated these luxurious as necessary evil as army took the role of balancing power..

Not anymore the game is now fixed..army politicians have all agreed to screw the people with the same stick.

They are lucky we still have people like patwaris, jiaylas and may be we need a new name "bootlickers"
 
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Time to correct historic wrong after 75 years. Lets admit that the ruling elite had never accepted majority's view since 1948, from the victory of Jagtu Front to Awami League. After belated confession its time for judiciary, bureaucracy and media to admit their mistakes too..
 

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Time to correct historic wrong after 75 years. Lets admit that the ruling elite had never accepted majority's view since 1948, from the victory of Jagtu Front to Awami League. After belated confession its time for judiciary, bureaucracy and media to admit their mistakes too..
Who will correct it? Awam has to take their right by force. Its either the Generals or the Awam. Only one can win.
 

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‘Why don’t our institutions learn from their old mistakes?’​

Imran has lamented why the country’s institutions do not learn from their past mistakes.
He alleged that the establishment and Election Commission of Pakistan had united with those in the current government against him but the nation had sent a resounding message that they stood with the PTI.
“I remember what happened in East Pakistan … we did not do justice with them or with Pakistan’s biggest political party and we did not learn.”
 

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Bilawal disputes ‘political failure’ narrative on 1971 debacle

Imran Ayub
December 1, 2022

KARACHI: Exactly a week after former army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa referred to the East Pakistan loss as a ‘political’ failure, Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari in a thinly-veiled rejection of the claim insisted on Wednesday that the Dhaka debacle in 1971 was in fact a ‘military failure’ that had brought host of challenges for the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto-led PPP.

The foreign minister expressed this opinion at the Nishtar Park rally, which was organised to mark the 55th foundation day of his party as part of countrywide celebrations.

On the occasion, the PPP chairman revisited the history of his party and recounted the achievements of its founder. He referred to the fall of Dhaka in 1971, when his grandfather took up the challenge to reunite the “disintegrated country” and “regain the lost glory”.

“When Zulfikar Ali Bhutto took over the government, the people were broken and had lost all hope,” he said. “But he rebuilt the nation, restored the confidence of the people and finally brought our 90,000 troops back home who had been made prisoners of war due to ‘military failure’. Those 90,000 soldiers were reunited with their families. And that all was made possible due to politics of hope... of unity... and inclusion.”

Terms fall of Dhaka ‘military failure’; says PTI will never resign from KP and Punjab assemblies

While addressing a Defence and Martyrs Ceremony at the General Headquarters last week, former army chief retired Gen Qamar Bajwa — in an attempt to “correct the record” — had made the claim: “I want to correct the record. First of all, the fall of East Pakistan was not a military but a political failure. The number of fighting soldiers was not 92,000, it was rather only 34,000, the rest were from various government departments.”

He had said those 34,000 people fought 250,000 Indian army soldiers, and 200,000 trained Mukti Bahini fighters but still they fought valiantly despite all odds and offered unprecedented sacrifices.

In an over hour-long speech, the foreign minister recalled the history of his party that he said “sacrificed” two elected prime ministers. Even their family members were not spared and slain in an attempt to weaken democracy and strengthen the “puppet leadership”, he said.

Taking a jibe at Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman, the PPP chief said that contrary to Imran Khan’s claim, the PTI would never quit the assemblies of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab, as it had a history of taking “U-turns” and that too for the vested interests.

“Mark my words! they would never resign from the KP and Punjab assemblies,” reiterated Mr Bhutto-Zardari. “They have a history of such fraud. They resigned from the National Assembly and when their resignations were accepted by the Speaker [of the National Assembly], they approached the court to stop him from doing so.”

Published in Dawn, December 1st, 2022
 

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Bilawal disputes ‘political failure’ narrative on 1971 debacle

Imran Ayub
December 1, 2022

KARACHI: Exactly a week after former army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa referred to the East Pakistan loss as a ‘political’ failure, Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari in a thinly-veiled rejection of the claim insisted on Wednesday that the Dhaka debacle in 1971 was in fact a ‘military failure’ that had brought host of challenges for the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto-led PPP.

The foreign minister expressed this opinion at the Nishtar Park rally, which was organised to mark the 55th foundation day of his party as part of countrywide celebrations.

On the occasion, the PPP chairman revisited the history of his party and recounted the achievements of its founder. He referred to the fall of Dhaka in 1971, when his grandfather took up the challenge to reunite the “disintegrated country” and “regain the lost glory”.

“When Zulfikar Ali Bhutto took over the government, the people were broken and had lost all hope,” he said. “But he rebuilt the nation, restored the confidence of the people and finally brought our 90,000 troops back home who had been made prisoners of war due to ‘military failure’. Those 90,000 soldiers were reunited with their families. And that all was made possible due to politics of hope... of unity... and inclusion.”



While addressing a Defence and Martyrs Ceremony at the General Headquarters last week, former army chief retired Gen Qamar Bajwa — in an attempt to “correct the record” — had made the claim: “I want to correct the record. First of all, the fall of East Pakistan was not a military but a political failure. The number of fighting soldiers was not 92,000, it was rather only 34,000, the rest were from various government departments.”

He had said those 34,000 people fought 250,000 Indian army soldiers, and 200,000 trained Mukti Bahini fighters but still they fought valiantly despite all odds and offered unprecedented sacrifices.

In an over hour-long speech, the foreign minister recalled the history of his party that he said “sacrificed” two elected prime ministers. Even their family members were not spared and slain in an attempt to weaken democracy and strengthen the “puppet leadership”, he said.

Taking a jibe at Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman, the PPP chief said that contrary to Imran Khan’s claim, the PTI would never quit the assemblies of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab, as it had a history of taking “U-turns” and that too for the vested interests.

“Mark my words! they would never resign from the KP and Punjab assemblies,” reiterated Mr Bhutto-Zardari. “They have a history of such fraud. They resigned from the National Assembly and when their resignations were accepted by the Speaker [of the National Assembly], they approached the court to stop him from doing so.”

Published in Dawn, December 1st, 2022

Now, since, Mir Bajwa is of no more use; Bilawal has started thrashing him.
 

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