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Which one is pakistan ? Apparently all it takes is ONE phone call.
Yeah the minister was not talking about Pakistan and he has clarified it. But keep sucking that lollipop. And rich coming from someone whose country has decided to join Quad and itself became a satellite for US.


Ever heard the story of cutting your nose to spite your face ?
Yeah that story perfectly describes Indian foreign policy.
 

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Former corrupt are quite active now a days, nothing gonna happen. India will grow, Pakistan has opted to stuck with Kashmir.
 

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LOL Notice how papa America i.e. the sponsor of India and dehati aurat Modi are suddenly so eager to do back channel diplomacy. The eagerness didn't just fall from the sky. This U-turn by Modi is a well thought out strategy to lure Pakistan away from China and transform it into a Hindustani vassal state. Won't happen obviously.
 

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All these "peace talks" are due to the recent India-China standoff when the Indian's realised they cannot even take on China, let alone all the BS about a 2.5 front war, etc. They faced the reality of their own make belive and lies and are now backtracking like crazy. This is Indian overture is really Indian fear. Lets not kid ourselves here..

They wil have to rethink their "membership" of the Quad. The Indian's always assumed that they could play fast and loose with the Americans and Chinese by getting the financial benefits of the Quad and the strategic undertones that brings along with it, without having to do anything in return. The chinese have forced the Indians to think of the reality of their choices and decisions by thinking about what a hostile china on your borders looks like.

Joining the Quad means having a hostile China who is active on your border. We all saw ho India surrendered in Galwan, and will do so on her Quad membership soon.

Its gotten to hot for India, now that she realises she the direction she is heading in ...
 

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All these "peace talks" are due to the recent India-China standoff when the Indian's realised they cannot even take on China, let alone all the BS about a 2.5 front war, etc. They faced the reality of their own make belive and lies and are now backtracking like crazy. This is Indian overture is really Indian fear. Lets not kid ourselves here..

They wil have to rethink their "membership" of the Quad. The Indian's always assumed that they could play fast and loose with the Americans and Chinese by getting the financial benefits of the Quad and the strategic undertones that brings along with it, without having to do anything in return. The chinese have forced the Indians to think of the reality of their choices and decisions.

Joining the Quad means having a hostile China who is active on your border. India surrendered in Galwan, and will do so on her Quad membership soon.

Its gotten to hot for India, now that she realises she the direction she is heading in ..
Lol. Did India give up Kashmir? What happened to handsome Imran? Why does he want to talk to India? I am sure in future, your army will convince why it is in Pakistan interest to forego Azad Kashmir. Just wait for the day.
 

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Lol. Did India give up Kashmir? What happened to handsome Imran? Why does he want to talk to India? I am sure in future, your army will convince why it is in Pakistan interest to forego Azad Kashmir. Just wait for the day.
Dont worry - only a matter of time before India brings back 370, and reverts its politics over attempted demographic change in Indian Occupied Kashmir. It is happening. India has realised it cannot handle Pakistan and China and it needs to find a graceful way of making a change in direction.

Modi has put an end to his entire 6.5 year of policy of trying to subjudate Pakistan as it has failed miserability. The acts of Feb 2019 and Aug 2019 are the last rolls of his dice and he has failed in his strategic policy against Pakistan.

Pakistan is willing to give India a chance to correct its behaviour and see if India can go down a road of peace and negiotations over Indian Occupied Kashmir ... the rest is down to Indian behaviour from here on out. This story has just started .. be patient..
 

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Lol. Did India give up Kashmir? What happened to handsome Imran? Why does he want to talk to India? I am sure in future, your army will convince why it is in Pakistan interest to forego Azad Kashmir. Just wait for the day.
Imran khan have always wanted dialogue with india, from day one. It was modi and smelly bakhts doing chest thumping and war mongering. Giving dumb warnings of destroying Pakistan, teaching Pakistan a lesson and taking GB etc, so what hapenned to all that chest thumping??? Was the slap on the face on 27/2 too hard??
As far as convincing goes, no one can spin an embarrassing defeat as a win as modi can, given the majority stupid and dumb population, its easier for modi. He did it on 27/2 and then did it again when china took 1000 sq miles of ur territory. So i am sure it will be very easy for modi to convince the dumb indians that ceding kashmir to Pakistan is a good thing.
 

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Dont worry - only a matter of time before India brings back 370, and reverts its politics over attempted demographic change in Indian Occupied Kashmir. It is happening. India has realised it cannot handle Pakistan and China and it needs to find a graceful way of making a change in direction.

Modi has put an end to his entire 6.5 year of policy of trying to subjudate Pakistan as it has failed miserability. The acts of Feb 2019 and Aug 2019 are the last rolls of his dice and he has failed in his strategic policy against Pakistan.

Pakistan is willing to give India a chance to correct its behaviour and see if India can go down a road of peace and negiotations over Indian Occupied Kashmir ... the rest is down to Indian behaviour from here on out. This story has just started .. be patient..
lol.
Imran khan have always wanted dialogue with india, from day one. It was modi and smelly bakhts doing chest thumping and war mongering. Giving dumb warnings of destroying Pakistan, teaching Pakistan a lesson and taking GB etc, so what hapenned to all that chest thumping??? Was the slap on the face on 27/2 too hard??
As far as convincing goes, no one can spin an embarrassing defeat as a win as modi can, given the majority stupid and dumb population, its easier for modi. He did it on 27/2 and then did it again when china took 1000 sq miles of ur territory. So i am sure it will be very easy for modi to convince the dumb indians that ceding kashmir to Pakistan is a good thing.
We'll always talk as long as it is beneficial for us. Everyone knows that you negotiate from position of strength.

China took 1000sq km in their pocket when they moved back to finger 8. Got it. I thought they were going to gift Kashmir to Pakistan. Lol.

Remember what your ex speaker said about what happened after 27/2. Bajwa legs were shaking. India was ready to attack. Lol.
 
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lol.

We'll always talk as long as it is beneficial for us. Everyone knows that you negotiate from position of strength.

China took 1000sq km in their pocket when they moved back to finger 8. Got it. I thought they were going to gift Kashmir to Pakistan. Lol.

Remember what your ex speaker said what happened after 27/2. Bajwa legs were shaking. India was ready to attack. Lol.
The only fear on 27/2 was from the Indian side when they had a pilot captured, lost two planes, and shot down their own helicopter in pure panic.

China has literally salami sliced your "integral region", and all you people can do is latch onto blatantly fake news about a country 7 times smaller than your own to feel better. How pathetic :lol::lol:
 

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Remember what your ex speaker said what happened after 27/2. Bajwa legs were shaking. India was ready to attack. Lol.
The IAF did not have balls to come for a counter strike next day or day after even after getting humiliated all over the world and you think they were ready to attack lol. The former speaker was just being loyal to his boss who is a known liar and corrupt politician.

Practically the IAF was grounded that day when you threatened a missile strike which obviously would have been countered x 3 times. And you do not attack another country when you loose trust in your airforce.

Ager Raphaaal hota...

And the world did take note that Modi threatened to go nuclear on day 1 of a conflict. :D
 

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There is going to be NO breakthrough.

It will only happen when pakistan publicly surrenders to Reality.
As long as one dreams of crushing the other, it's not going to happen. Pakistan is a proud and resilient nation, militaristic with a long martial history. There's a reason why officers in the IA have a healthy dose of respect for the adversary. For one to publically surrender to the other might be a fanatics dream but neither will bear such an insult, even if it meant mutual destruction.

The economic potential for an entity similar to EU in the south asia would be tremendous. Maybe someday the polity in this corner of the world will realise what the Europeans did after centuries of geopolitical conflict and bloodshed, to be a global power and a prosperous state, we cannot be in conflict with our neighbours. Their prosperity has a direct positive impact on us and vice versa. In a long enough run wealth will beget wealth.

We're either going to get on with it in the future or bomb each other out of existence, either way, PDF will continue to provide the lulz.
 
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History shows that Pakistan army leaders/chiefs think of improving relations with India only after stabilizing themselves. General Zia suggested back channel talks after nine years in office, just before his death. General Musharraf started his peace overtures five years after taking over; and General Bajwa, three years after becoming army chief. Such occasions come after a gap of several years.

without lifelong dictators in Pakistan, Indo-Pak peace is impossible...this is why India supports the Army being in charge in Pak...ay a string General come in Pakistan who holds power for 30-40 years
 

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The IAF did not have balls to come for a counter strike next day or day after even after getting humiliated all over the world and you think they were ready to attack lol. The former speaker was just being loyal to his boss who is a known liar and corrupt politician.

Practically the IAF was grounded that day when you threatened a missile strike which obviously would have been countered x 3 times. And you do not attack another country when you loose trust in your airforce.

Ager Raphaaal hota...

And the world did take note that Modi threatened to go nuclear on day 1 of a conflict. :D
Kahani to likhde context kya thaa bhai??
The day India becomes serious, you know what will happen. We lost one aircraft n our pilot came back safe, still we lost. You lost a 1/8th of a land, your 93000 returned safely, still I see allot here claiming victory :agree:
 

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