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Don't blame Pakistan for your own Failures of War! - Imran Khan

Discussion in 'Pakistani Siasat' started by Rafael, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. Fighter488

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    He seems a good leader, I agree.
    I think his party do not have a good access at grass-root level among Pakistani populace. This is the reason his party is unable to convert the support in to solid results at election time. He need to work more to reach to the general population, understand and know thier problems first hand and suggest a solution as well. Then he can ask for vote to his party to implement these solutions. Untill then his PERSONAL CHARM would give him a worldwide audience but not enough support through ballot box.

    His views on International matters are quite clear and un-ambigous unlike most Pakistani politicians. He has clarity of thoughts on most issues.

    Good luck to him and his party.
     
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  2. nForce

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    I have a few questions as well as a few arguments.I will try to put them forward in a categorized manner.

    General recognition by whom??So far as the Pakistanis are concerned,they are fighting the taliban inside their own territory.So far as the Afghans and NATO forces are concerned,they are fighting directly with the taliban in Afghanistan.I don't really see the NATO forces,led by US,throwing down the towel.Even they have sent a new General,David Petraeus to bolster their offensive.


    If US is not the main player in this issue,then who is???Whose focus are we actually talking about then???




    I was under the impression that the US forces are in pursuit of the talibans in Afghanistan.They will be in the region where the talibans are.So it depends upon the taliban,where the center of gravity will be,not upon the pursuing forces.Even if we accept that,we know that PA is responsible for COIN operations in FATA.Is Pakistan not doing enough that makes US to shift its focus???

    Pakistan had deep relations with the mujaheddin throughout the 80s,with the involvement of ISI.That means the mujaheddin had deep relations with Pakistan.They regularly used Pakistani soil,for logistical support.Even if we assume that ISI severed its ties with these mujaheddin after the Soviet exit,it will be wrong to assume that the mujaheddin stopped severed their own ties with their local supporters in the border regions of FATA.There were even open gun markets in the FATA area which the taliban frequently visited.Some of these very mujaheddin are the taliban of today.Hence there is a relation between Taliban and Pakistan.It is these very taliban,who sheltered Osama.Osama is even believed to have escaped through Pakistan o even hiding in FATA.The relations are so close,that suspicions are bound to arise.
    Please let us know about these seven conditions.

    Its funny to observe that US did not see anything wrong in Zia-ul-Haq,perhaps the most famous dictator of Pakistan when they needed him.Then another US president refuses to shake hand with another dictator of Pakistan.Then again another US president blackmails this very dictator to do their bidding.Is this some kind of Use and throw policy???What the common Pakistani think about this??




    Agreed that it would be disaster.But that does not mean that you should not take care of the terrorists present there.
    Again wrong.I have provided sources above.
    It is estimated that there are about 20 million firearms in circulation in Pakistan,a country of about 160 million people.That means every eighth person in Pakistan has a firearm,most likely an automatic one,thanks to the war legacy and Kalashnikov culture brought upon the state of Pakistan by Zia ul Haq.Add this to the religious extremism practiced in some parts,support to jihad or holy war,economic instability and poor education,and we have a situation that is bound to go out of hands.These problems were bound to create serious issues for Pakistan as well as the entire sub continent,some day or other.It is good for Pakistan that this issues are being addressed with US help,rather than being alone to deal with it.

    IMF and US aid are not synonymous.Author is either mistaken or trying to take advantage of ignorance of the uninformed.

    An acute case of chicken came first or egg.If some sections of Pakistan had not been radical,then neither US or Pakistan would have anything to worry about.For God's sake,the TTP has made it a regular event to target Pakistani market places,we have observed events like Lal Masjid.I don't see thenm gain any support without radicalism being previously present.

    Agreed with the author.

    Regarding the rest of the post,it is author's own point of view and I would not like to comment on it.
     
  3. AZADPAKISTAN2009

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    He is right
     
  4. RescueRanger

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    Hi,

    When you get a chicken---it is upto you to make chicken soup out of it or chicken sh--it. People get oppurtunites in their lives---sometimes they are not tailor made to what you want them to be and it befalls on your judgement to seize the oppurtune moment to get the best out of the situation.

    Imran Khan is a good man---but his problem is that unlike the cricket field---he wants the political system ought to be to his liking to step upto the plate.

    for Imran Khan---the golden oppurtunity arrived with the arrival of Musharraf---mushrraf asked many a good pakistanis to form a govt with him to run the country---Amin Fahim was coward---couldnot stand in front of Benazir---Shahbaz Sharif sold the motherland to his older brother Nawaz---he didnot step forward to take the charge when the oppurtunity was presented.

    Then there was Imran Khan---the premiership was offered to him and he refused as well---. Each one of them were looking for their personal interests and noen for pakistan---they simply didnot want to work wioth the general.

    Imran had the oppurtunity to take over pakistan and make something out of it---he could have used Musharraf and switched him to his way of thinking---.

    Don't the corporations have hostile takeovers---haven't prime ministers overthrown the kings and presidents in the history---have junior commanders not overthrown the senior generals---they have.

    But for you to do that---you ought to have the intellect---the strategy---the game plan---the tenacity---but all that can wait till you can have that job.

    That is where Imran Khan failed---he had it presented to him on a platter----and he failed to take charge---bottomline----he knew that he was not capable to do the job---when realization hit reality---he acknowledged his shrotcomings to himself and chicked out----he found out that it is cheaper and easier to talk than to do the real thing---and that is what he has been doing for the last 10 plus years. The man has met his destiny---.
     
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    It did......
     
  7. veg

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    Imran Khan is naive and his stupidity (along with non-visionary politicians like him) has already costed Pakistan in form of death of thousands of people and millions displaced in Swat.

    The phenomenon of suicide has not to do with operation against al-Qaida, but it has to do 100% with the raising Islamization of the society, where extremists are dreaming about the return of Khilafah.

    Therefore, not only Pakistan, but these Islamic suicide bombings are taking place all over the world.

    Be it al-Shabab, or be it Boko Haram, or be it ISIS, or be it al-Qaeda.

    There are suicide bombings even in Saudi Arab.

    There are suicide bombings in name of Islam even in Taliban VS Taliban case, al-Qaeda vs al-Qaeda case.

    There are suicide bombings in name of Islam even on the Shias and vice versa.

    There are suicide bombings in name of Islam even on the Mazars of Sufi Buzurgs (one sided. No vice versa thing).

    All that is not happening due to the operation in FATA, but all this is happening due to the recent wave of Islamization of the society.