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Doklam on the ground: Weak Chinese

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    On Friday, with China’s defence ministry warning New Delhi that: “restraint has its bottom line”, Indian Army officers participating in the Doklam faceoff have provided Business Standard the first detailed accounts of how the situation has evolved.

    They say the Doklam bowl – which is disputed between China and Bhutan – currently has an extended, 200-metre long line of Indian infantry soldiers confronting a smaller number of Chinese border guards. Just one metre separates the two lines.

    At any time, there are about 40 Chinese border guards in the disputed valley, facing off against three times that number of Indian jawans.

    Backing up the Chinese front line are another 1,500 troops, a mix of border guards and regular People’s Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers. These are positioned outside the disputed Doklam area, but cross in and out of the disputed area, relieving those on the front line at regular intervals.

    Indian troops standing guard in Doklam are similarly relieved by a full infantry battalion (600 troops), located in Indian territory to the west. Backing up this battalion is a full infantry brigade (2,000 troops), ready to respond to any military moves from China.

    In addition, a second fully acclimatised infantry brigade, slightly further away, stands ready to respond to a crisis.

    “We fortunately had two brigades training in high altitudes nearby, so we have plenty of acclimatised troops. If needed, we can muster far more forces than the Chinese in Sikkim. This would never be an area where they start something”, says a senior Indian commander.

    According to these officers’, tension began in early June, when Indian forces in the vicinity observed Chinese patrols reconnoitring the track in the disputed Doklam bowl. Intelligence assessments concluded that China was going to try and extend the road towards the Jampheri Ridge, at the farthest edge of China’s claim line.

    Indian commanders strongly rejected yesterday’s statement by China’s foreign ministry, which claimed that India had been notified on May 18 and June 8, “out of goodwill through the border meeting mechanism”, that China would be building a road in Doklam.

    They say, the Indian army reported to Delhi that road building seemed imminent, and were granted permission to cross into Bhutan-claimed territory to stop construction.

    When India crossed into Doklam and confronted the Chinese construction parties, “they were taken completely by surprise and offered no resistance”, says an officer privy to events. “These are no soldiers; they are conscripted border guards, who live in heated barracks and periodically patrol the border in vehicles. They don’t walk much”, says an Indian commander.

    “Our soldiers, in contrast, live a far tougher life. In Doklam, they stand guard without moving, while the Chinese keep breaking the line and going back for cigarette breaks. Indian morale is sky-high; soldiers know they are participating in something unprecedented – crossing a border to defend an Indian ally”, says the Indian officer.

    Eventually, the Chinese had to send in a political commissar, recount Indian officers. “The commissar ordered up martial music and the hoisting of Chinese flags to stiffen resolve. They clearly had problems”, he says.

    In the macho manner of militaries, the Indian Army is using a large number of Sikh and Jat soldiers to man the line in Doklam – in the expectation that their height and sturdiness would intimidate the smaller Chinese.

    Army officers are elated also at having kept the confrontation out of the media for a full ten days, until Beijing was forced to make the incident public. “The Chinese have always complained that India’s media is too shrill and pro-active. This time, China had to mobilise their media, because we were there on the ground and nobody knew.”

    Indian soldiers also point out that China has begun building bunkers and creating defences on the border. “That’s another first. They are recognising our capability to act decisively”, says an officer.

    According to a senior Indian general: “The situation in Doklam has plateaued. Militarily, the Chinese know they can do nothing here. Eventually it will have to be a negotiated withdrawal, or the Chinese will have to open a front in another sector.”


    With Beijing warning on Friday that “Chinese armed forces will resolutely protect the country's territorial sovereignty and security interests”, the PLA could choose its next move anywhere on a long, 3,500-kilometre border that stretches from Ladakh to Myanmar.

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/08/doklam-word-from-ground-zero.html?m=1

    Weak Chinese Conscript Guards fearing Tall Macho Indian Soldiers.

    Now we can understand why Chinese are cribbing so much. When it comes to action on the ground they wil be spanked BDSM style.
     
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    ey india forces easily defeated.

    even singapore can send in 30 leopards tanks plus 10 f-15 eagles to get rid of the indian forces at doklam.
     
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    Haha achha tha....aur suna!!!
     
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    We don't used human to fight one on one. Armour and tank will roll over your tall Sikh or whatever. :lol:
     
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    Jat and Sikhs are the same stock as Pakistanis. Hope we can give the Sikhs a homeland, Hindus are spinelss.
     
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    China can pay the india troops 2x salary and offer to remove their corrupt india government.

    Maybe dont even have to fight a war and india will be under chinese administration
     
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    China is exposing herself.....

    having a gun is not a big deal....need guts to use it...so show some guts....no more puk puk like chicken
     
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    I think that's what china will do in Singapore. Just bribe the top officials and annex it.

    oh so many many plannings ......anything else? I think your country has become complacent and corrupt, obviously all that money has made your planners lazy and fat. That's why they don't fight or win wars.
     
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    What about Hindus? Can Hindus fight?
     
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    china is way ahead of india.

    If singapore is under china, i will thank the gods.

    if u look at the emigration rate of india, everyone wants to leave that place and go usa

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    Singapore under agreement with India keeps it's F16 in India and trains it's pilots in India. By your logic the Singapore pilot need not even fly to India. It can start firing within seconds of stike by China in Dokalam .

    Dude stop being outright stupid . Respect yourself.
     
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    I will also thank the gods if singapore becomes a part of china. I like the world to make sense. a 'country' is one with identity of its own, not one whose identity is airport. China with deep culture can absorb you, give you their identity and give you civilization. Though you speak the right words I'm concerned that you are only saying things with your mouth without feeling in the heart.

    Repeat the words 'I nearby submit to mother china and accept her in every way. From today I have no identity except that of a chinese'. Hail Mother China.
     
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    You should be asking this question for Hans.

    Jats are mostly Hindu btw.
     
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    It is time you find out where do you station your assets out side Singapore of course? also check where do they get trained ?
     
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    They are gutless as a fish but have penchant for revisionist history where they become Martial races.
    They become blind to centuries of defeat and being conquered and love to glorify and almost deify near worthless historical personalities and events where 10 men (Hindus) maybe attack a small mughal patrol but in the mind of the Hindu it becomes a great victory when they showed the invader Hindu martial prowess.

    Their favourite pass time is circle masterbation over which of their tribes is more martial with each throwing in their views never explaining so many of Indians martial supermen were so gutless, prone to defeat and humiliation with their most important temples and rights trampled for so long by Muslim empires.


    They are delusional and have notions of self grandeur and this makes them stupid and dangerous at the same time
     
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