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Would an apology help? Yes, of course it would especially those who suffered gravely.

But I personally don’t give a toss. The mass surrender was bigger than the apology.

I don’t know any common people who demands an apology.

But it’s a pass time of the Dhakaya chetona brigade.

Rest of the country wants a prosperous and brotherly relationship with Pakistan. Especially with Hinduvta on the rise. Hinduvta hasn’t been this menacing in my part of the country since Sufi Saint Shah Jalal rode into town!

Not even Sheikh Mujib wanted to break up Pakistan. How I do I know that? Just ask Khakeda Zia and her BNP mob. Zia declared independence, you know!
You r right.
I am Pakistani.
There is no shame bigger then this.
Pakistan army dont surrender in some foreign country. Pakistan army surrender in their own country west Pakistan.
Pakistan army lost a battle that can be won very easily.
Any sane person can go to the people.
Give mujeeb power.

Had the west Pakistanis knew because there was no free media. Everyone thought a country made in the name if Islam cannot break. Allah wouldnt allow it .
They would always stand with mujeeb and bengalis.
These people messed up.

I do not support bengali version.
Bengalis didnt come slow. Of Pakistan army killed 1.5 lakh people bengalia killed the same amount of west Pakistan and biharis.

Pakistan was a dream. It was 20 years old. First 10 years are stabilisation period. Yes it was martial law. After elections Mujeeb was not given power but if mujeeb waited. There was no power that can stop mujeeb from becoming pm. They can delay the session.
But even after an year when they would call. Mujeeb would become the pm.
Mujeeb instead signed agartala treaty with india. What was in it? Remains a mystery. Do they need Bangladesh only or the task was to seperate Pakistan further?
He should not have done that and the terrorist organisation that were killing people on the basis of being Pakistani even bengalis who support Pakistan. This is outrageous. The military does have a logic to use force to stop them. (though i think they should contact public instead)
Use of force made bengalis hearts turn. Else more then 50 percent of bangali population doesnt want Bangladesh. Pakistan army using force hushed it.

For heaven sake. It is also my land. I love it. Ab kaya chahiya. Bana to liya mulk.
Now let people meet.
 

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But even after an year when they would call. Mujeeb would become the pm.
Mujeeb instead signed agartala treaty with india. What was in it? Remains a mystery. Do they need Bangladesh only or the task was to seperate Pakistan further?
He should not have done that and the terrorist organisation that were killing people on the basis of being Pakistani even bengalis who support Pakistan. This is outrageous. The military does have a logic to use force to stop them. (though i think they should contact public instead)
You are wrong here. The so-called Agartala conspiracy case was filed during the time of Ayub Khan. Mujib was arrested but was released subsequently. However, the conspiracy was invented by Governor Munaim Khan (of Mymensingh). It was not real.

Yahya Khan should have called the National Assembly session on 25 March instead of postponing it. It agitated the Awami people. Mujib was under heavy pressure, but he did not declare outright/ formal independence on 7 March public meeting in Dhaka.

He once said, he did not want to be responsible for breaking Pakistan. He was sticking to it all along. Being a leader of the mass population, he was aware that Bengalees were not yet ready to break Pakistan that they struggled hard to bring about. They and he himself were worried about Indian influence after the separation.

No one uttered Pakistan Murdabad even on 7 March gathering in the Racecourse Maidan. But, everything started changing after 26 March when the PA troops started operations.

An unknown Major Ziaur Rahman declared independence of Bangladesh first in the presence of Bengalee troops in the Chittagong Cantonment on 26th, second time he declared it via Kalurghat radio station on 26th and corrected the version of declaration on 27 March, 1971.

The resistance fighting started.
 

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Pakistani textbooks and the establishment at large still deny injustices and atrocities done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and government on Bengalis. As long as they keep denying and blaming the Bengali revolt/civil war on a sinister "Hindu conspiracy", not much will change. Imo Pakistan and Bangladesh should have been separate from the start, that's actually what a lot of Bengali Muslim League leaders wanted themselves
 

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Ehh don't really care, it is what it is
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Much more important things to do and take care of imo
 

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Imo Pakistan and Bangladesh should have been separate from the start, that's actually what a lot of Bengali Muslim League leaders wanted themselves
No, it would not have been possible to make two separate Pakistan in 1947. Other than emotional attachment to Muslim ideology and brotherhood, the other main reason was two separate countries would have caused India to attack one at a time and unite it with Delhi.

This may be the reason that the leaders of the two wings wanted a united Pakistan. I do not know about west Pakistan, but in BD a man could have been killed by a mob if he uttered to break Pakistan. It continued until that fateful morning of 26 March 1971.
 

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No, it would not have been possible to make two separate Pakistan in 1947. Other than emotional attachment to Muslim ideology and brotherhood, the other main reason was two separate countries would have caused India to attack one at a time and unite it with Delhi.

This may be the reason that the leaders of the two wings wanted a united Pakistan. I do not know about west Pakistan, but in BD a man could have been killed by a mob if he uttered to break Pakistan. It continued until that fateful morning of 26 March 1971.

It think youre right in many ways. There was a strong rationale for United wings of Pakistan during Partition.

Unfortunately some Pakistanis even today deny that uraveling of the Unity was the fault of West Pakistani political leaders and not bangalis. I kind of understand them because its a dark period for Pakistan and neither media or textbooks really educate people about their leaders wrong descions. How would the common peope know when they are not informed?

Look at some Pakistani politicians today, likes of Altaf Hussain or Nawaz Sharif, both living abroad and conspiring against their own people for silly personal benefit. I ask Pakistanis to think for a moment, is it unreasonable to believe that Mujib and Bengalis were tired of egotistical leaders who would play any games in order to not transfer the Prime Minister position to a East Pakistani leader?

The responsibility for the war rests on the shoulder of those few individuals, political leaders like Yahya Khan etc. Not the common man of West Pakistan.
 
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No, it would not have been possible to make two separate Pakistan in 1947. Other than emotional attachment to Muslim ideology and brotherhood, the other main reason was two separate countries would have caused India to attack one at a time and unite it with Delhi.

This may be the reason that the leaders of the two wings wanted a united Pakistan. I do not know about west Pakistan, but in BD a man could have been killed by a mob if he uttered to break Pakistan. It continued until that fateful morning of 26 March 1971.

Pakistan for me is an ideology - which I wholeheartedly believe in - only way to save ourselves from Hinduvta genocide. But as a nation state it’s not viable.

Vast majority of Bangladeshis will always believe in the ideology of Pakistan. Dhakaya chetona mob will never change that!!!

The Hindu Bengali elite was too powerful and would never have allowed an Independent East Bengal.

Remember how they fought when the British divided it in two.

Nope!

The only way Pakistan was going to be viable, for the British masters, was an alliance between Muslims of the East and West.

But East Bengal just could not thrive within an union dominated by Punjab.

There is no way we would be where we are within the Pakistani union. Because:

1. There is no way our great NGOs would have been allowed to thrive by the pak military.

2. Would have never benefited from LDC status.

3. Bangladesh would now be as religiously radical as India and Pakistan. Religion and/or racial purity is the opium of large multi ethnic unions. It’s toxic.

4. Women would be at home making babies instead of undies. Kept in their place by the pro Pakistani mullahcracy.

5. Given Bangladesh’s geography - we cannot thrive without cooperation with India.

The irony is that without Pakistan - Bangladesh would not exist - hence we should always look at it with a forgiving eye.

The pak military may have slaughtered upto 250k.

But Hinduvta would wipe us off the map if it wasn’t for the foresight of our founding fathers.

Which includes Jinnah and Sheikh Mujib.

They foresaw the evil fascist Modi and forged an alliance accordingly.

It saddens me that we take a tribalistic view of our founding fathers.

We should give them a lot more respect and veneration.

They saved us from Hinduvta genocide.

If you don’t believe me - look at the state of Indian Muslims!!!

If we truly respect our founding fathers - we should come together and cooperate as one people.
 
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It think youre right in many ways. There was a strong rationale for United wings of Pakistan during Partition.

Unfortunately some Pakistanis even today deny that uraveling of the Unity was the fault of West Pakistani political leaders and not bangalis. I kind of understand them because its a dark period for Pakistan and neither media or textbooks really educate people about their leaders wrong descions. How would the common peope know when they are not informed?

Look at some Pakistani politicians today, likes of Altaf Hussain or Nawaz Sharif, both living abroad and conspiring against their own people for silly personal benefit. I ask Pakistanis to think for a moment, is it unreasonable to believe that Mujib and Bengalis were tired of egotistical leaders who would play any games in order to not transfer the Prime Minister position to a East Pakistani leader?

The responsibility for the war rests on the shoulder of those few individuals, political leaders like Yahya Khan etc. Not the common man of West Pakistan.

I laugh out loud when British Pakistanis tell me that Bangladeshi people, like my mukti bahini family, were responsible for the breakup of Pakistan!!!

I can tell you they were dedicated Pakistanis until the night of operation searchlight.

Mujib and Osmani, proud Pakistanis, never declared independence. It was an unknown junior military officer called Zia ur Rahman.

If todays Pakistanis need a scapegoat - the name is Major Zia!!!
 

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Pakistan for me is an ideology - which I wholeheartedly believe in - only way to save ourselves from Hinduvta genocide. But as a nation state it’s not viable.

Vast majority of Bangladeshis will always believe in the ideology of Pakistan. Dhakaya chetona mob will never change that!!!

The Hindu Bengali elite was too powerful and would never have allowed an Independent East Bengal.

Remember how they fought when the British divided it in two.

Nope!

The only way Pakistan was going to be viable, for the British masters, was an alliance between Muslims of the East and West.

But East Bengal just could not thrive within an union dominated by Punjab.

There is no way we would be where we are within the Pakistani union. Because:

1. There is no way our great NGOs would have been allowed to thrive by the pak military.

2. Would have never benefited from LDC status.

3. Bangladesh would now be as religiously radical as India and Pakistan. Religion and/or racial purity is the opium of large multi ethnic unions. It’s toxic.

4. Women would be at home making babies instead of undies. Kept in their place by the pro Pakistani mullahcracy.

5. Given Bangladesh’s geography - we cannot thrive without cooperation with India.

The irony is that without Pakistan - Bangladesh would not exist - hence we should always look at it with a forgiving eye.

The pak military may have slaughtered upto 250k.

But Hinduvta would wipe us off the map if it wasn’t for the foresight of our founding fathers.

Which includes Jinnah and Sheikh Mujib.

They foresaw the evil fascist Modi and forged an alliance accordingly.

It saddens me that we take a tribalistic view of our founding fathers.

We should give them a lot more respect and veneration.

They saved us from Hinduvta genocide.

If you don’t believe me - look at the state of Indian Muslims!!!

If we truly respect our founding fathers - we should come together and cooperate as one people.

Yes.

Looking at the broad daylight massacre of muslims in India, it is obvious why Pakistan was created. Its not enough for Indian hindus that their muslim neighbors are proud indians. No, indian hindus wont be satisfied before their muslim neighbors become polytheistic hindus! There is a lust for some kind revenge on muslims in India. No amount flattery or fine speeches is gonna change that. Its now all fully disclosed and unrevealed for everyone to see.

Indians like to blame the dividing of British Raj on muslims. Mark my words, they are only doing it for the loss of their potential Hindu Rajya.

South Asia can never be united as long as Hindus continue to have this dream of Akhand Bharat.
 
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Yes.

Looking at the broad daylight massacre of muslims in India, it is obvious why Pakistan was created. Its not enough for Indian hindus that their muslim neighbors are proud indians. No, indian hindus wont be satisfied before their muslim neighbors become polytheistic hindus! There is a lust for some kind revenge on muslims in India. No amount flattery or fine speeches is gonna change that. Its now all fully disclosed and unrevealed for everyone to see.

Indians like to blame the dividing of British Raj on muslims. Mark my words, they are only doing it for the loss of their potential Hindu Rajya.

South Asia can never be united as long as Hindus continue to have this dream of Akhand Bharat.

Brahmins, especially, hate Muslims because our forefathers exposed their duplicity and inferiority. They cleverly aligned themselves with the British and reaped the benefits. Including adopting English.

The sudras just need someone to look down on along with the Dalits. They are quite happy for the Brahmins to be masters as long as they can rule over the low caste and Muslims.

This is why Sudras hated upper caste Congress elites - who saw the Dalits and Muslims as a vote bank instead of a garbage tank.

Sudras love the BJP because they are finally able to rule over the Muslims.
 

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Brahmins, especially, hate Muslims because our forefathers exposed their duplicity and inferiority. They cleverly aligned themselves with the British and reaped the benefits. Including adopting English.

The sudras just need someone to look down on along with the Dalits. They are quite happy for the Brahmins to be masters as long as they can rule over the low caste and Muslims.

This is why Sudras hated upper caste Congress elites - who saw the Dalits and Muslims as a vote bank instead of a garbage tank.

Sudras love the BJP because they are finally able to rule over the Muslims.

The sudras and dalits are so opressed that they feel existential anxiety if they cant pass over the opression to someone lower in rank.

Its a learned behaviour, sum of thousands of childhoods over millennias. For how can they accept being inferior if they cannot themselves feel superior to someone lower? It dosent add up, reasons the mind.

Thats also why the Brahmims hate muslim missionaries and Dalits who convert. Because, when they are finally freed from the shackles, these formes slaves will start to hate their former masters who now stand fully unclothed.
 

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I ask Pakistanis to think for a moment, is it unreasonable to believe that Mujib and Bengalis were tired of egotistical leaders who would play any games in order to not transfer the Prime Minister position to a East Pakistani leader?
There were five leaders from east Pakistan who became the Governor General/ President, or PM of Pakistan. The issue was if a candidate was Hindu (read India) leaning or not. It could also be a lame excuse.

- Khwaza Nazimuddin became the Governor General/ President of Pakistan after the death of Quaid-e-Azam.
- Khwaza Nazimuddin later became also the PM of Pakistan.
- Muhammed Ali Bogra was also the PM
- Iskander Mirza was also the President
- Hussain Shahid Suhrawardy was also the PM
- Well, there was also Nurul Amin who became the President of Pakistan after the 1971 war. He was a Chief Minister of east Pakistan in 1950s

So, it is not true that Mujib was not handed over power only because he was from east Pakistan.
 

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Unfortunately some Pakistanis even today deny that uraveling of the Unity was the fault of West Pakistani political leaders and not bangalis. I kind of understand them because its a dark period for Pakistan and neither media or textbooks really educate people about their leaders wrong descions. How would the common peope know when they are not informed?
You may watch the video below to see what the then PM Newaz Sharif was telling after Pakistan won a cricket match against Bangladesh. During 1971, people in west were given cooked news and as a result most of them did not know what the PA troops were doing in the east.

 
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You may watch the video below to see what the then PM Newaz Sharif was telling after Pakistan won a cricket match against Bangladesh. During 1971, people in west were given cooked news and as a result most of them did not know what the PA troops were doing in the east.

Bangladeshis were the founders of Pakistan.

We should forever be proud of it.

We saved ourselves and our fellow Muslims in the west from certain Hinduvta genocide.

Bangladeshis once again should celebrate the founding of Pakistan - our greatest achievement.

Creation of Pakistan was the first step to the ultimate creation of Bangladesh.

One is not possible without the other.

I want Pakistan day to be a national holiday in Bangladesh.

And Bangladesh’s Independence Day should be a national day of shame for the pak military.
 

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Congratulations.

You are now in sync with Operation Searchlight. They, too, thought that universities were sources of danger.

It is remarkable how the phrase resonates, "...plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose..."

Dada - I have to beg to differ.

In 1952 and in 1971, the activism was more in line with ideological protests for "autonomy" and economic fairness rather than outright thuggery.

Today it is known that being in AL cadres and "handling opposition" using violent means is number one step to becoming a legitimate AL party functionary. You haven't been to Bangladesh after 1971 or you may not know, ask around and you will. This is something that even hardcore AL politicians are not proud of, they have a hard time controlling this.

Recently a student in BUET (one of the top engg. universities in Dhaka) posted something in Facebook criticizing Indian action on something and the AL thugs at BUET basically lynched him to death. They all got death sentences after trial which is being appealed.
 

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