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DF-21D: The Aircraft Carrier Killer Missile That Makes Navy Admirals Freak Out

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Just arm them with anti ship missiles. Iran for example doesn't have aircraft carriers but anti ship missiles and claims they already defeated the U.S. Navy and holding them hostage. Taiwan is doing the same as well as Vietnam. Its enough to give China nightmares and feel like their navy is a hostage to their weaponry. And China is already freaking out over THAAD in South Korea.
Anti-ship missile are impotent against major power. This is no more falkland war. CIWS makes anti-ship missile obsolete.

Iran has better stuff.
Only Iran and China has such stuff while China is king of these system.
 

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Anti-ship missile are impotent against major power. This is no more falkland war. CIWS makes anti-ship missile obsolete.

Iran has better stuff.
Only Iran and China has such stuff while China is king of these system.
And IF Vietnam or Taiwan has Iran's capabilities and not beyond their their ability to make it, what then?
 

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Iran didn't have it a few years ago. Why can't Vietnam and Taiwan have such tech? South Korea didn't have SLBM until just recent test few months ago.
Sure sure, soon Vietnam and Taiwan will land man on Mars in few years time, right? :rofl:
 

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Sure sure, soon Vietnam and Taiwan will land man on Mars in few years time, right? :rofl:
You never know. If Iran can achieve such capabilities like China while under sanctions, why not Vietnam and Taiwan?
 

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You never know. If Iran can achieve such capabilities like China while under sanctions, why not Vietnam and Taiwan?
How much money Vietnam and Taiwan has? Do they even have such facilities and talent to achieve such thing? Now now.. maybe 50 years later. :enjoy:
 

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How much money Vietnam and Taiwan has? Do they even have such facilities and talent to achieve such thing? Now now.. maybe 50 years later. :enjoy:
How much money Iran have to build such capability? Taiwan already produce its own cruise missiles. Don't be surprise they can build such capability. Vietnam could even be part of such program or Russia can provide the technical know how. Look at South Korea building their own ballistic missiles and even SLBM capability.
 

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How much money Iran have to build such capability? Taiwan already produce its own cruise missiles. Don't be surprise they can build such capability. Vietnam could even be part of such program or Russia can provide the technical know how. Look at South Korea building their own ballistic missiles and even SLBM capability.
You are talking BS, NK can made ICBM but can it build an F-35?
 

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And IF Vietnam or Taiwan has Iran's capabilities and not beyond their their ability to make it, what then?
Take out their kill chain with a lot of missiles, then let the carrier approach. That's what space capability does.
 

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In American context, the technological capability to intercept warheads at hypersonic speeds was achieved in 2013.

They developed a ballistic missile capable of replicating DF-21D flight characteristics and mission capability and it was defeated in a live-fire intercept attempt in 2016 with SM-6 class interceptors (this test was not approved for Public viewership).

AEGIS-equipped warships are also equipped with SM-3 class interceptors which can be used to intercept satellites in LEO orbit and even ICBM-class targets. This capability is aimed to check ASBM in the class of DF-26 and DF-27 respectively.

DF-21D is not equipped with an HGV but an MaRV which can be steered towards a moving ship with BeiDou guidance.

Chinese DF-17 class is not tested in ASBM role, and suitable for engaging fixed targets for now.

SM-6 class interceptors are being revisited to defeat HGVs by the way. First test of the sort is expected in 2023.

AEGIS-equipped warships are also accorded considerable EW capabilities to confuse/spoof incoming missiles (the lesser known aspect of defenses). BeiDou guidance can be disrupted near these ships.

USN is by no means defenseless and exposed in the face of various threats it is expected to cope with in modern warfare.

Yes - there is always the possibility of some missiles getting through the defenses (casualties) but USN is supposed to be fighting and attacking as well. This isn't a one-trick pony show.

The author did not do his homework it seems - he should not have bothered.
 

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Take out their kill chain with a lot of missiles, then let the carrier approach. That's what space capability does.
Is it that easy? It's that how you can do it against Iran? Take out the kill chain with lots of missiles?
 

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In American context, the technological capability to intercept warheads at hypersonic speeds was achieved in 2013.

They developed a ballistic missile capable of replicating DF-21D flight characteristics and mission capability and it was defeated in a live-fire intercept attempt in 2016 with SM-6 class interceptors (this test was not approved for Public viewership).

AEGIS-equipped warships are also equipped with SM-3 class interceptors which can be used to intercept satellites in LEO orbit and even ICBM-class targets. This capability is aimed to check ASBM in the class of DF-26 and DF-27 respectively.

DF-21D is not equipped with an HGV but an MaRV which can be steered towards a moving ship with BeiDou guidance.

Chinese DF-17 class is not tested in ASBM role, and suitable for engaging fixed targets for now.

SM-6 class interceptors are being revisited to defeat HGVs by the way. First test of the sort is expected in 2023.

AEGIS-equipped warships are also accorded considerable EW capabilities to confuse/spoof incoming missiles (the lesser known aspect of defenses). BeiDou guidance can be disrupted near these ships.

USN is by no means defenseless and exposed in the face of various threats it is expected to cope with in modern warfare.

Yes - there is always the possibility of some missiles getting through the defenses (casualties) but USN is supposed to be fighting and attacking as well. This isn't a one-trick pony show.

The author did not do his homework it seems - he should not have bothered.
But how many missiles a ship can intercept and how many missiles your enemy would launch? No ship can withstand saturation attack of missiles.
 

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Is it that easy? It's that how you can do it against Iran? Take out the kill chain with lots of missiles?
It's not difficult. You don't understand that there is no such thing as a superweapon that can change everything, including nuclear weapons. Every weapon has a powerful system behind it. Like an aircraft carrier, the most powerful battleship needs a bunch of other ships around it. Not to mention the satellite communications, reconnaissance systems behind it.

Likewise, missiles are not. Missiles need maintenance, training. You need target information before launch, a secure launch site. After launch you need to track the missile information, assess the impact, and prepare for the next strike.

A complete combat system is composed of many subsystems. The difference between large and small countries is in the integrity of these subsystems.

If India buys the F-35, do you think IAF is as powerful as USAF?

Of course not. The USAF does not just use the F-35. It also has advanced early warning aircraft, refueling aircraft, electronic warfare aircraft, various weapons systems, satellite reconnaissance systems. At the same time there are complete logistics, maintenance, spare parts replacement. Modified and upgraded r&d capabilities.
 

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