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We know why they were procured. Here is the excerpt

The 12 Su-30 MKIs are meant to make up for the gaps in the Su-30MKI squadrons caused due to crashes over the years.

The Hindu Explains | How is India building up the squadron strength of its air force?


Here is the list of 11 SU-30 MKIs that have crashed.

Now tell me why did the IAF order 12 SU-30 MKI replacements?




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30 Apr 09Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-021Wg Cdr Siddharth Vishwas Munje
Wg Cdr Pushpendra Singh Nara +
Click to View Record Click to View RecordCr in Rajasthan after pilot inadvertantly switched
30 Nov 09Sukhoi Su-30 MKIWg Cdr A Shrivastava
Flt Lt Arora
HAL Built example. The aircraft from Pune was on i
13 Dec 11Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-142Wg Cdr Gurkirat Singh SohalClick to View RecordCrashed at Wade-Bholai village near Pune
19 Apr 12Sukhoi Su-30 MKI
Possibly Repaired Routine training flight. Nose undercarriage proble
19 Feb 13Sukhoi Su-30 MKI
Cr at Pokharan Range at 1920 hours. Defective bomb
14 Oct 14Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-050Wg Cdr Siddharth Vishwas Munje
Fg Offr Anup Kumar
Click to View Record
Premature Ejection on approach to Lohegaon
19 May 15Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-137Cr Laokhowa Tezpur 1230Hrs
15 Mar 17Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-149
TD + HE(A). Cr Shivlarkudla village, Barmer. Pilot
23 May 17Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-063Flt Lt Achudev Sahadevan +
Sqn Ldr Divesh Pankaj +
Click to View RecordHE(A) + HE(SS). Crashed in Dense forests, CFIT, pi
27 Jun 18Sukhoi Su-30 MKI
HAL
Approximate latitude 20.20 N, longitude 74.08 E n
08 Aug 19Sukhoi Su-30 MKISB-062UI (HE(A))



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As per this data Indian Muslims are better pilots-
 

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I see Indians talk about infantry battles, tank battles, navy battles etc and yeah I have to admit they have won in the past.

But when it comes to air battles, our shaheens never fail to surprise and have always reminded the Indians that qualitative or quantitative superiority doesn't determine battles instead it is the skill of the pilots.
Be it
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Kargil was not about our pilots but more of our ground troops as they shot down some 3 indians jets during the conflict mainly through Anzas

and finally
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2: 10th April 1959 was a Red letter day in the history of PAF as an IAF Canberra reconnaissance aircraft intruded into Pakistan air space on Eid Day, thinking the PAF along with rest of Pakistan will be in festive mood and relaxing, however it was intercepted by a PAF F-86 Sabre who put around 1200 bullets into the Indian aircraft sending it spiralling out of control with it's crew later being captured.
1200/1800 rounds landed? That’s an accuracy of almost 70%, isn’t it too high for a dog fight even if the target aircraft is a recce one?
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There is proof if you look for it

1) Debris of AMRAAM missile fired by PAF F-16 that shot down the SU-30MKI. The fact that the AMRAAM exploded indicates that it hit the SU-30 MKI fighter. This press conference was indeed a self goal by the IAF.

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2) IAF has ordered 12 SU-30 MKI as replacement when only 11 SU-30 MKI have officially crashed. The 12th SU-30 MKI replacement was for the one that IAF lost to PAF.

Govt approves buying 21 MiG-29, 12 Su-30 fighter jets to add teeth to IAF


And the poor iaf helicopter which was panic shot on that day most likely on rescue mission trip recover su pilots
 

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The Indian Air Force (IAF) ranked 4th is one of the largest in the world both in quantity of aircraft and personal. After Independence in 1947, it had been in confrontation with much smaller Pakistan Air Force (PAF), which is said to be one third the size of the IAF. But despite enjoying an overwhelming advantage, the IAF has a very poor and even depressing record against the PAF. Historians and defence analyst acknowledge that the IAF has never been able to deliver in it's history except perhaps during the Kargil conflict when it conducted operations within it's own side of LOC over a well demarcated area and obviously no air opposition.
Let's analyse the IAF's performance during it's conflict and skirmishes against the PAF.

1: On 4 November 1948, two IAF Hawker Tempest fighter aircraft attacked a PAF Dakota transport aircraft on supply missions, they repeatedly attacked the slow aircraft for 25 minutes but failed to shoot it down due to superior handling by the PAF pilot.

2: 10th April 1959 was a Red letter day in the history of PAF as an IAF Canberra reconnaissance aircraft intruded into Pakistan air space on Eid Day, thinking the PAF along with rest of Pakistan will be in festive mood and relaxing, however it was intercepted by a PAF F-86 Sabre who put around 1200 bullets into the Indian aircraft sending it spiralling out of control with it's crew later being captured.

3: 24 June 1965, an Ouragan Fighter/Bomber called Toofani by the IAF, strays into Pakistan and is intercepted and forced down by PAF fighters. Later the IAF aircraft is found to be fully armed.

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1965 War.

On September 1, 1965, the IAF launched its first strikes against a Pakistani invasion at Chhamb, near Jammu. 12 Vampires and 14 Mystere fighter-bombers were thrown in, which began shooting up Indian tanks from 20 Lancers, which was opposing the Pakistani advance. Twenty Lancers officers recount their relief when the PAF Sabres swooped down on the IAF, shooting down four Vampires. A shocked IAF grounded its Vampire and Toofani squadrons, reducing its strength by one-third.

3rd September : Perhaps first time in aerial warfare history, an IAF pilot air surrenders his Gnat fighter jet when confronted by a PAF F-104, and lands his aircraft in Pakistan, today the Gnat is preserved and displayed in PAF Museum.

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PAF’s air strike on 6th September, 1965 on the Indian Air Force base of Pathankot has been rated by historians and defence analysts of both Indian and Pakistan as one of the most successful air raids of contemporary history. Over a dozen IAF aircraft including several MiG-21s were destroyed on the ground.


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September 7 saw a debacle in the eastern theatre, where the PAF had only a single squadron of Sabres. Early morning IAF raids on Chittagong and Jessore achieved nothing. However, a retaliatory PAF raid devastated the IAF's Kalaikunda base, in West Bengal, destroying 14 aircraft on the ground mostly Canberra bombers thus PAF squadron earning nick name of ''Tail Choppers''.
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Also on 7th September the IAF tried to strike back on PAF bases and in due course PAF saw it's first Ace when one of it's pilot shot down five IAF Hunters in a single sortie.

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1971 Air War.

During this war, the PAF had one single squadron of F-86 Sabres, stationed in East Pakistan. This single PAF unit faced Ten IAF squadrons, three of which were equipped with the latest MiG-21s while others had SU-7, Hunters, Gnats as well as bombers on strength. The single PAF squadron was grounded within few days of war due to it's single runway being damaged. Before being grounded, No 14 squadron PAF in aerial engagements, shot down 11 IAF aircraft for the loss of five of it's own. However what is astonishing is that in subsequent two weeks of non stop raids on the PAF airfield, , the IAF failed to destroy even a single grounded Sabre but in process lost 17 more aircraft to Pakistani ground fire.

Last Air Battle of 1971 War.
The last air battle of 1971 war between PAF and IAF took place on 17th December. The encounter involved a humble PAF F-86 Sabre against a Supersonic MIG-21 of the IAF.
Flt Lt. Maqsood Amir emerged the victorious pilot when he shot down the MIG-21, No C 116 through a missile attack.
The Indian pilot was captured after ejecting from his stricken aircraft.

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@PanzerKiel @Hodor @Raider 21 @Irfan Baloch @SQ8 @The Eagle @HRK

Maqsood Amir's kill against the MiG.21 was achieved using guns not missiles.
1200/1800 rounds landed? That’s an accuracy of almost 70%, isn’t it too high for a dog fight even if the target aircraft is a recce one?
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Sabr had six 12 mm guns with 200 rounds each so inorder to score a kill you had to put a lot of bullets into the target, that's why a lot of the Indian aircraft whichnwere shot at got damaged but landed back safely. This is in contrast to the Indian Hunters and Gnat's which carried 30mm cannons and only needed one or two rounds on the target to get a kill.
 

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In Kargil, IAF lost 4 aircrafts Mig 21, Mig 27, Canberra and Mi8. Also remember the Heron UAV the first air to air UAV kill in the world.
 

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The Sabre only fired around 1200 rounds from a total of 1800 rounds available as it's guns jammed due to overheating.

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Very skilful to be able to land all of the rounds on the bogey. My knowledge of air war fare isn’t as in-depth as yours, but this must be a rare occurrence? Anyway don’t want to digress. Depressing indeed.
And the poor iaf helicopter which was panic shot on that day most likely on rescue mission trip recover su pilots
Nope, none of the dead were SU pilots. There identities are quite public.
 

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