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DENEL AND YUGOIMPORT-SDPR COMPETE FOR PAKISTAN’S WHEELED SELF-PROPELLED HOWITZER REQUIREMENT

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    DENEL AND YUGOIMPORT-SDPR COMPETE FOR PAKISTAN’S WHEELED SELF-PROPELLED HOWITZER REQUIREMENT
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    South Africa’s Denel Land Systems and Serbia’s Yugoimport-SDPR are competing for the Pakistan Army’s requirement for a wheeled self-propelled 155 mm howitzer.

    At the 2016 International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS), which took place in Karachi last week, Denel Land Systems showcased and demonstrated its T5-52, a 155 mm 52-calibre gun mounted to the Czech Tatra T815-7 8×8 truck. The T5-52 is capable of firing standard, base bleed, and velocity enhanced shells to 30 km, 42.5 km, and 55 km, respectively (Denel Land Systems). The complete system weighs 38 tons and can travel at up to 85 km/h. It can travel up to 600 km without refuelling.

    The Yugoimport-SDPR NORA B-52 is a lighter system at 28 tons, but it is also comprised of a 155 mm 52-calibre gun mounted to a Russian KamAZ 8×8 truck. The NORA B-52 can fire standard and base bleed shells to 20 km and 41 km, respectively (Army Technology). The NORA B-52 has a top travel speed of 90 km/h and range of 1,000 km without refuelling.

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    The Pakistan Army has been seeking a wheeled self-propelled howitzer (SPH) since as early as at least 2008 when it procured two SH-1 howitzers from China for evaluation purposes. It is not clear if Pakistan acquired additional SH-1 units, though it would seem unlikely considering that these systems have not been verifiably spotted at national events or during major exercises.

    Through the pursuit of wheeled armoured personnel carriers, utility helicopters, and wheeled SPHs, the Pakistan Army has been working to strengthen its rapid deployment and mobility capabilities. In terms of highly mobile artillery, the T5-52 and NORA B-52 are comparable platforms in many respects. The final selection will be dependent on the respective performance of these machines in the climate conditions the Pakistan Army envisages using these systems.

    Source: http://quwa.org/2016/11/30/denel-an...-wheeled-self-propelled-howitzer-requirement/
     
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    The T5-52 truck-mounted artillery system was developed to meet the potential requirements of India

    Entered service -
    Crew 6 men
    Dimensions and weight
    Weight 28 t
    Length 10.1 m
    Width 2.9 m
    Height 3.48 m
    Armament
    Main gun 155-mm
    Barrel length 52 calibers
    Machine guns -
    Maximum firing range 55 km
    Maximum rate of fire 8 rpm
    Elevation range - 3 to + 75 degrees
    Traverse range 80 / 360 degrees
    Ammunition load
    Main gun 27 rounds
    Machine guns -
    Mobility
    Engine diesel
    Engine power 355 hp
    Maximum road speed 85 km/h
    Range 600 km
    Maneuverability
    Gradient 40%
    Side slope 25%
    Vertical step 0.6 m
    Trench 2 m
    Fording 1.4 m



    The T5-52 truck mounted gun-howitzer was developed by Denel Land Systems. First prototype of this artillery system was revealed in 2002. It is a South African counterpart to the French Caesar truck-mounted howitzer, developed to meet the potential requirements of India. Development of this artillery system is completed, however there were no confirmed sales.

    The T5 was previously dubbed the Condor and was armed with a 155-mm / L45 weapon. The second model, the T5-52, utilizes the G5-2000 towed howitzer top carriage. This artillery systemis compatible with standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. Projectiles are fed automatically onto the rammer tray from the magazine. Charge loading is semi-automatic.

    Maximum range of fire is 42.5 km with rocket assisted projectile and 55 km with V-LAP or velocity enhanced projectile, developed by Denel. The T5-52 is capable of MRSI or multiple round simultaneous impact firing. It can fire up to six rounds to hit the target simultaneously. This artillery system can fire in 360° arc, however it has to return to the 80° arc to simplify the loading process. Normally the T5-52 fires backward in relation to the vehicle. This artillery system fires forward only in case of emergency. Vehicle also has a direct firing capability.

    The T5-52 has an operating crew of four and additional four crew members to prepare and supply the ammunition. A crew of four can bring the gun into or out of action within 60 seconds.

    The T5-52 is mounted on the modified 8x8 Tatra T815 WN truck chassis. This truck is manufactured in India under license. Vehicle is powered by a turbocharged diesel engine, developing 355 hp. To provide a more stable firing platform, this truck has three stabilizer blades. Cab of this artillery system is unarmored, however protection against 5.56-mm rounds can be fitted as an option.
     
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    Both are Good, Force will know better ,which one will suit them better .
     
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    Top ten Self Propelled howitzers

    Self-propelled howitzers are tracked or wheeled artillery systems. These have high degree of mobility and that is their main advantage over towed howitzers. These artillery systems are used as combat support weapons. Normally they provide indirect fire, however, if needed, they also have direct-fire capability. Most of modern self-propelled howitzers are fully or partially armored. In modern combat these artillery systems often exploit their mobility for shoot-and-scoot type attacks in order to avoid counter-battery fire.

    So which is the best self-propelled howitzer in the world? Which is the most capable and effective self-propelled howitzer? This Top 10 analysis is based on firepower, rate of fire, ammunition load, deployment and redeployment time, protection and some other factors.

    This list only includes self-propelled howitzers, that are currently in service. It does not includes artillery systems that are under development or at the prototype stage.

    Currently top 10 self-propelled howitzers in the world are these:





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    Nr.1 PzH 2000 (Germany)



    The Panzerhaubitze 2000 or PzH 2000 is a German self-propelled howitzer. This is a very advanced and extremely capable artillery system. Initially German Army planned to order a total of 1 254 new self-propelled howitzers, however in 1996 a contract was signed only for 185 artillery systems. First of these self-propelled howitzers were delivered to the German Army in 1998. It has also been exported to some countries.

    The PzH 2000 has a fully-automatic loading system with ammunition management system. It is compatible with standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. Maximum range of fire is 30 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and 40 km with rocket-assisted projectile.

    Maximum rate of fire is a whooping 9 rounds per minute. This artillery system is capable of Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) firing. It can launch several shells with different trajectories, that would land on the target simultaneously. Such way of firing is very efficient.

    The PzH 2000 receives target data via datalink. The gun is automatically laid using the fire control data.

    This artillery system has a high level of protection. Its front armor withstands hits from 14.5-mm rounds. Add-on explosive reactive armor can be fitted in necessary.


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    Nr.2 2S35 Koalytsiya-SV (Russia)
    The 2S35 Koalytsia-SV is the latest Russian artillery system. It was developed as a successor to the 2S19 Msta-S. First demonstrator of this self-propelled howitzer was completed in 2006. It was unique and had two 152-mm guns. However for some reason twin-barrel design was abandoned. In 2013 a new prototype of the Koalitsiya-SV was completed. It had a different design and only one gun. A first batch of 12 artillery systems was delivered to the Russian Army in 2015. Currently it is one of the most capable howitzers in the world.

    Even though the Koalitsiya-SV resembles the older 2S19 Msta-S, it is a totally different system. It has unmanned turret and is armed with a 152-mm gun. It has a fully automated ammunition loading and handling system and utilizes modular charge system. This artillery system can fire a wide range of munitions, including standard and rocket-assisted HE-FRAG projectiles, cluster projectiles with anti-tank submunitions, jammer carrying projectiles. Range of fire with standard projectile is around 30 km and around 40 km with rocket-assisted projectile. A new long-range precision-guided round has been developed. It has a maximum range of 70 km. The Koalitsiya-SV It is also capable of firing older Krasnopol precision guided munitions with a range of 20 km.

    Maximum rate of fire is around 8 rounds per minute. It seems that the Koalitsiya-SV is capable of multiple round simultaneous impact firing. This artillery system carries impressive onboard ammunition supply of around 60 to 70 rounds.

    The Koalitsiya-SV has a high level of automation. It allowed to reduce the crew. This artillery system is operated by a crew of only 3 soldiers.

    This artillery system has got no dedicated reloading vehicle, but there is a built-in ammunition reloading system at the rear of the turret that allows to load ammunition from resupply truck.

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    Nr.3 K9 Thunder (South Korea)

    The K9 Thunder is a South Korean self-propelled howitzer. In the late 1980s Republic of Korea Army drew up its requirements for a new indigenous 155-mm tracked howitzer to meet the requirements of 21st century. Key operational requirements included a higher rate of fire, longer range, better accuracy and faster into and out of action times. Development of the K9 Thunder began in 1989. It entered service in 1999 and replaced the older K55 self-propelled howitzer, that is a Korean version of American M109A2. The K9 is fielded by the ROK Army in large numbers.

    K9 Thunder is fitted with automatic shell handling and ramming system. It is compatible with standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. Maximum range of fire is 30 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and 40 km with rocket-assisted projectile.

    The K9 Thunder has a maximum rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and is capable of multiple-round simultaneous-impact firing. It is able to fire three rounds in 15 seconds, each in different trajectories, so that all of the shells arrive on target at the same time.

    This artillery system carries a total of 48 rounds for the main gun.

    The K9 is fitted with automatic fire control system with internal navigation system and automatic gun laying systems. It takes 30 seconds to prepare to fire at emplacement and 60 seconds from movement.

    This artillery system is supported by a dedicated K10 ammunition resupply vehicle. It is also based on the K9 chassis. The reloading process is fully automated and can be performed without exposing the crew under enemy fire or in the contaminated areas.

    T-155 Firtina is a Turkish 155-mm self-propelled howitzer. It uses subsystems of the K9. It is in service with the Turkish armed forces.

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    Nr.4 Type 99 (Japan)
    The Type 99 is a Japanese self-propelled howitzer. It was developed by the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and the Japan Steel Works. A small number of Type 99 self-propelled howitzers is currently in service with the Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force. So far this howitzer was never exported. Earlier Japan's laws did not allow export of weapons and military equipment.

    Maximum range of fire is 30 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and approximately 38 km with rocket assisted projectile. Maximum rate of fire is around 6 rounds per minute.

    The Type 99 self-propelled howitzer is resupplied from the Type 99 ammunition resupply vehicle. A battery of the Type 99 howitzers also includes a mobile command post and fire control radar.
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    Nr.5 PLZ05 (China)
    The PLZ05, also referred as the Type 05, is a recent Chinese development. It was developed as a successor to the Type 83 SPH. It evolved from the PLZ45.

    This 155-mm self-propelled howitzer has an automatic ammunition loading system. Some sources report, that this autoloader has been copied from the Russian 2S19 Msta-S.

    The PLZ05 fires Chinese 155-mm ammunition. Maximum range of fire with rocket-assisted projectile is over 40 km. It is also capable of firing precision-guided projectiles with a maximum range of 20 km. It is worth noting that in the 1990s China obtained the Russian Krasnopol laser-guided projectile technology. Later China successfully developed its own precision guided munitions. Also there is a GPS-guided projectile with a claimed maximum range of 100 km, however it is unconfirmed.

    Maximum rate of fire is about 8 to 10 rounds per minute. Onboard ammunition supply is around 30 rounds.

    This self-propelled howitzer is supported by an associated ammunition resupply vehicle, which carries ammunition under armor on the battlefield. The resupply vehicle carries about 90 rounds and is capable of automated delivery. This support vehicle is fitted with a crane, which is used for ammunition handling operations and can be also used to replace the powerpack and for other load-handling operations.

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    Nr.6 M109A7 Paladin (USA)

    The M109A7 is a further upgrade of the ubiquitous M109 self-propelled howitzer, which that introduced in early 1960s. Formerly it was known as the M109A6 PIM. Unofficially this latest version is still being referred as the Paladin. In 2013 the M109A7 was approved for production. First of these artillery systems will be delivered to the US Army in 2015.

    The upgraded M109A7 has new automated loader and some components of the canceledCrusader and NLOS-C.

    Maximum range of fire is 24 km with standard projectile and 30 km with rocket assisted. The M109A7 can also fire M982 Excalibur extended-range precision guided projectiles that have a maximum range of 40 km.

    However its maximum rate of fire is only 4 rounds per minute. This limitation is due to design of this self-propelled howitzer, that traces its roots back to the late 1950s.

    The Paladin has a brief reaction time. It can stop and fire the first round in under 60 seconds. Sustained rate of fire is 1 round per minute.

    Each M109A7 Paladin is escorted by an associated ammunition supply vehicle. It is based on the same chassis and carries spare ammunition under armor.

    The US Army plans to obtain a fleet of 580 M109A7 howitzers and the same number of associated armored ammunition support vehicles.



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    Nr.7 Krab (Poland)

    The Krab self-propelled howitzer was developed by BAE Systems Land Systems. Turret of the Krab is almost identical to that installed on the AS90 Braveheart. This artillery system uses a modified chassis of the Polish PT-91 Twardy main battle tank. The Krab won international competition and was selected by the Polish Army. First of these howitzers were delivered to the Polish Army in 2012. However future of this artillery system is uncertain due to various problems.

    The Krab is fitted with 155-mm / L52 howitzer, which is compatible with all standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. The Krab has an automatic projectile loading system and modular charge system. Maximum range of fire is 30 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and 40 km with rocket assisted projectile. A total of 60 rounds are carried.

    The Krab is fitted with polish fire control system, intercom and radios. Vehicle is completed with Danish muzzle reference system, which tracks outgoing projectiles and adjusts the next shot.

    The Krab uses modified chassis of the PT-91 Twardy man battle tank. However since 2012 production of the engine for this chassis stopped. In 2014 it was reported that Poland plans to acquire 120 tracked chassis of the South Korean K9 self-propelled howitzer for the Krab.

    Battery of this artillery system consists of 6 Krab self-propelled howitzers, 2 ammunition resupply vehicles based on the 6x6 military trucks, Waran maintenance vehicle and Azalia artillery C3I vehicle.

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    Nr.8 AS90 (United Kingdom)

    The AS90 is a British self-propelled howitzer. It was developed by Vickers. It entered service with the British Army in 1993. Production ceased in 1995. A total of 179 AS90 self-propelled howitzerswere built for the British Army. It replaced the FV433 Abbot and the US M109.

    The AS90 is fitted with 155-mm / L39 howitzer. It is fitted with an automated loading system. It is compatible with all standard NATO 155-mm ammunition. Maximum range of fire is 24.7 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and 32 km with a rocket assisted projectile. The AS90 is capable of firing 3 rounds in 10 seconds. Maximum rate of fire is 6 rounds per minute, sustained - 2 rounds per minute. A total of 48 rounds are carried.

    The British AS90 is supported by an 8x8 high mobility logistic support vehicle, fitted with a load handling system. It is used to transport ammunition.

    The AS90 Braveheart was an upgrade programme of the AS90. It was fitted with longer 155 / L52 gun and had improved range of fire. This project was terminated. However BAE Systems created aKrab artillery system fitted the AS90 Braveheart turret on a modified PT-91 Twardy main battle tank chassis. This artillery system was aimed to meet a Polish Army requirement. Eventually it was adopted and deliveries commenced in 2012. Polish Army requirement was for 80 howitzers of this type. However the whole program was plagued with problems.







    Nr.9 2S19 Msta-S (Russia)

    The 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled howitzer entered service with the Soviet Army in 1989. Currently it is in service with Russia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Ethiopia, Georgia, Ukraine and Venezuela. Russian Army operates about 550 of these artillery systems.

    This artillery system is fitted with an semi-automatic loader that can load the gun at any angle. The Msta-S is compatible with all standard Soviet and Russian 152-mm projectiles. It fires a wide range of munitions, including standard and rocket-assisted HE-FRAG projectiles, cluster projectiles with anti-tank submunitions, jammer carrying projectiles. It is capable of firing Krasnopol precision guided munitions. Maximum range of fire is 24.7 km with standard HE-FRAG projectile and 28.9 with rocket-assisted projectile. The Krasnopol projectile has a maximum range of 20 km and a hit probability of 90%. It can also hit moving vehicles.

    Maximum rate of fire is 7-8 rounds per minute. A total of 50 rounds are carried inside the Msta-S. This artillery system has got no dedicated reloading vehicle. However there is a separate conveyer in the rear of the turret allows loading of ground ammunition.

    The 2S19M2 is a recent upgraded version. It was adopted by the Russian Army in 2013.




    Nr.10 Archer (Sweden)

    The Archer is a Swedish next-generation self-propelled howitzer. Development of this artillery system began in 2003. First Archer's were delivered to the Swedish Army in 2013.

    The Archer has a rapid, automatic loading system. The whole artillery system is operated remotely, so there is no need for the crew to leave an armored cab. There is a high degree of automation.

    Maximum range of fire is 30 km with ordinary projectile and 40 km with rocket-assisted projectile. The Archer also fires Excalibur precision guided extended range projectiles with a maximum range of 60 km. It is also compatible with Bonus precision guided projectiles.

    Maximum rate of fire of 8 - 9 rounds per minute. The Archer is capable of multiple-round simultaneous - impact firing. It fires up to 6 rounds in 30 seconds, each in different trajectories, so that all of the shells arrive on target at the same time. The Archer transports 20 rounds.

    It takes only 30 seconds to stop and be ready for firing. Out of action time is also as short as 30 seconds. Brief redeployment time allows to avoid counter-battery fire.

    The Archer is based on a wheeled, rather than tracked chassis. This artillery system is mounted on the commercially available Volvo A30D 6x6 articulated hauler chassis. It looses in terms of cross-country mobility to tracked vehicles. However it is one of the most advanced and capable truck-mounted howitzer.

    Each Archer artillery system is supported by an associated ammunition re-supply vehicle. Reloading time is up to 8 minutes. If necessary the gun can be loaded by re-supply personnel alone. The Archer is also assigned with one support (maintenance) vehicle per unit. It conducts refueling and simple maintenance.
     
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    Pak Army uses M109A5
     
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    I hope a decision is made quickly and for the Denel as well!
     
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    Standard: 30 km (19 mi)
    Base Bleed 39 km (24 mi)
    V-LAP: 52.5 km (32.6 mi)
    M9703A1: 67 km (42 mi)
     
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    The same system is competing for the 814 "Mounted Gun System" tender in India.
    The gun is mounted on the Tata LPTA3138 Chassis for India...
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    @Bratva @Quwa @Zarvan @fatman17 well this reconfirms the interest in T5-52 plus there was that other news a few days back about Bora as well. Seems these are the ones that we heared about as being looked at.
    Good systems and as always, its the MRSI that is mouth watering for me. :lol:
     
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    T-155 Firtina is a Turkish 155-mm self-propelled howitzer.
    Pakistan also wanted these. What happened then?
     
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    Shouldn't we put more emphasis on Light weight howitzers ? Kashmir front is where 50 percent forces of both countries are concentrated. This is where the first major point of contact would occur. These heavy artillery wouldn't work efficiently in Kashmir theater

    A-100 and these truck mounted artillery is more suited for Punjab or Sindh front.
     
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    And, they're seeing lots of actions in the Iraqi and Syrian fronts..
     
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    You are absolutely right !

    What are our requirements? Why we need wheeled Sp ? For which war theater ? I don't support this acquisition, for Kashmir we need light weight Howitzers, both here presented SP look very heavy, why these wheeled SP should deliver better battle results than our M-109 SP ? I support to buy more US M-109 SP, because we have already a large infrastructure, training and good experience with them. For Mountain Corps we need absolut light wight Howitzers !
     
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    Hello Al
    Sir , These Guns are extremely suited for 75% of whole Pakistan border , They are lighter then Track Based SP Howitzers like M-109 we have , Second main advantage of wheel based Guns are that , they are highly mobile , they can go any where very quickly and also they don't need a transport truck (like M-109) .
    There mobility is there main advantage that will help Pakistan to match IA huge numbers , So 250+ of any of both will be a great addition (according to some official reports we also have SH-1).
    And as for light weight Howitzers , I think Turkey is developing Light weight version of Panther Howitzer , My take is we will have them , but remember they are not SP Howitzers.

    @Ulla , @Bratva
     
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